Women Bishop

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Who was Junia? And, since the days of following Jesus were over, why then wasn't a women nominated to be a disciple when Judas was replaced? Why weren't the daughters of Jacob considered to be part of the 12? Dinah was a daughter of Jacob, why couldn't she have been part of the 12?

I do agree with this. Double standard if you ask me!

You'll note I did not say women have no position in teaching. In fact, Paul does encourage women to teach. I have heard many women teach and it was very encouraging and edifying.



Those verses are speaking of salvation. In Christ, in salvation, we are all alike. Yes. We all stand at the foot of the cross together. But salvation does not change me from a female to a male. I am still a female. Salvation, and the spirit cannot change that fact. That is a natural law. And what God had to say in the Garden to Eve still remains in effect today, because until Satan is bound, his head has not yet been completely bruised, and we women are still living under that same "curse" - as far as I know, women are not yet able to have childbirth without pain. Did salvation change that? No. This is a natural law God put in place, and will remain, despite salvation, and the Cross until the day Jesus Christ returns to bruise the head of Satan, which thing we have not yet seen.

Absolutely. God used Sarah, Hannah, Ruth, Esther, the Mary's and probably more that we don't know of. But check out their record. It stands today. Their great deeds were also accomplished with that "ugly" word women hate - submission. Yet, it is a beautiful thing when completely understood It is after all, God's law, not man's.



Yes, there are natural laws, and spiritual laws. But when women begin to stop having pain in childbirth, and males change to females upon salvation, then we can talk about how we don't have to deal with natural laws anymore, because spiritual laws rule.

We are dealing with a natural law set in place by God himself. I have read the scriptures, and read the stories as you have yourself. Submission is a team effort, as demonstrated by how Eve came OUT OF Adam's side. She was not made a separate and distinct being herself. That in itself is conclusive in proving that God made a point at creation that can't be ignored. It is a natural law, that no "spiritual" law can supersede. The women is of the man, from the man, and the two working together are what God intended. It is a beautiful thing, the way God created it.

But because women are the daughter's of Eve, it is something we don't want to hear. We want to somehow change things up. It just doesn't seem fair that we should be created for the glory of the man - according to Paul in 1 Cor. 11. Fair or not, that is how God created this natural law (submission).

T2W, I can tell this issue is near and dear to you. It is to me too. But I have seen firsthand the blessing that comes about with applying this principle to my life. It does work.

KBTW... I think you missed the post where I changed my mind and said I now completely agree with the idea that women can not be bishops. I think I had another idea of what was meant by bishop, considering it synonymous with 'Pastor' or 'Shepherd', 'Servant' etc. I believe that you, seekerman and probably the original poster actually are talking about something else entirely which is more of a lofty and high and lifted up place of honor...

I believe that no HUMAN should hold a place of exaltation over other humans and so therefore have to agree that a woman should not hold the 'OFFICE' of 'BISHOP'. Of course in my view neither should a man

Romans 16:7 (NIV)

Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.

It was widely known and documented by the church fathers in their writings until the 1600's that Junia was a woman, that is until the authors of KJV changed her name to Junius and she became a man.

As long as we have the view that is being espoused in this thread we will find it OK for women to risk all and head into danger on the mission field, plant churches in our own backyards when there are no men willing, start movements (better have a look at Apostolic history) and even die as martyrs. But the minute a 'position' is open that might not come with great personal sacrifice, that could actually support a family, that is respected.... well we better get a MAN for that job. Do you not find that ridiculous?

Funny thing is that women, like the bumble bees Michael mentioned, will still be called by God and will still go, and will still work... and God will still bless it, as he always has, no matter what we think. It is only sad to me that these women will have to face the petty disapproval of other humans and that they will not willingly receive the love and support of their families, friends and communities. And sadder still that maybe with this teaching and training of our young girls to believe that they can not accept the call of God because it can not happen to a woman, we may stop some of them from giving God their utmost.

And this shames every Apostolic who's faith is built on the backs of women laborers who planted churches all over this country and across the world, many without husbands, who's organizations accept women to their bible schools for money, who license and ordain women but then teach in their churches that it is just empty paper. One does not need a license or ordination to teach girls Sunday school.

J am starting to agree with those who say that the church has become a business and it is one of the few businesses left that still has a glass ceiling and open prejudice. Again I say, what a shame.