I believe that the Word of God is incorruptible, yes. I personally like the NASB version but I can't testify to it's inerrantcy. If there's a particular passage or topic I'm studying, I usually go to the Greek manuscript and study what was written.
Well we have a basic difference there... I do not see the Bible as incorruptable, innerent or infallible. To be clear I feel that infalliable is a stronger term than inerrant. Inerrant to me means there are no errors whereas infallible would mean there can be no errors. I know that many people use the terms interchangeably but they have slightly different flavors.
I believe that the Bible is a combination of history, the science of the time, and most importantly a record of God's communication with man through the ages. I love it for many reasons but I feel free to skip over the parts that have nothing to add to my life and do not feel as if I am forsaking my faith by doing so although it horrifies some people that know me.
I find it interesting that the Jews never saw the Torah as any of those things and that is why there were so many oral traditions in addition to the written scriptures that they held in equal regard.
At this poing I think that anyone who will take an honest look will find that the Bible has been altered at the whim of man and that God allowed it to happen as He allows us every other freedom.
I personally like The Christian Bible which does much to correct many of the errors of KJV especially with regards to gender equality, although that was never the authors intentions.
I've thought for a while about how to respond to this post T2W. I can't say I haven't felt the same thing a few times when reading the Bible. I know this one thing for sure, we have more questions than we have answers.
However, the Bible for sure holds up to the microscope in most historical accounts. History has proven time and time again that accounts written in scripture did take place.
Have you read the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel? He set out to prove Jesus Christ wrong, as a lawyer who was, I think, agnostic. After years of research and study, he became a Christian and acknowledged there is a Case for Christ. I know you believe in Christ, and I'm not trying to argue that... just saying that I've heard this book is a really good read for those who have questions...
But there is so much historical evidence that lines up with the Bible that you really can't ignore the fact that what has been written has stood the test of time.
I understand frustration with the gender equality issue.... but the Bible really doesn't prove that women are "equal" with man.
This is because a woman, Eve, was taken out of the side of Adam, instead of being made a separate and distinct being. (We know this is true because women have one less rib than men, which makes the story historically accurate).
This is an issue very close to my heart, as I have often wondered why God did not make Eve as a separate and distinct being, but he didn't, he took her out of the side of man. There is great significance in that. The main point being, women are not equal with man. We were created from man, and were created FOR man.
But when you look at the picture of Christ and the church, you see why this is.
Christ signifies the first Adam, and the church/bride came out of his side in the blood and water on Calvary. It is a beautiful picture really. I know you know these things, but just in case others are reading that hadn't seen that picture before of how Calvary and how it relates with the story of Adam and Eve.
So just as Christ is not a dictator of the church, His bride.... then neither is man to be dictators to women, but to love and tenderly nourish them. The fact remaining though, that women were not created equal in the garden with man, AND the church will never be equal with Christ.
This pattern holds true all through scripture, whether you think man tweaked it or not, nad makes submission a very real thing when you look at Christ and the church.
So it all boils down to this... if you start feeling like you can do away with parts of the Word that don't necessarily appeal to you... that creates a big problem... where does it stop?
I know your heart, and how much you love the Lord, and I understand too some of the frustration you've expressed.
A good reminder of just how little we humans really know and understand become a little more clear reading the book of Job. I know this may sound old, as I've spoken of it in other threads, but many of my questions regarding so many things, I found answers to, or at least peace in not understanding the answers, when I read the book of Job.
Well, I've probably muddied the water more than cleared anything up, but of course, this is all from my point of view....
Males and females both have 24 ribs. How would a woman with 1 less rib validate Genesis' account of creation? Wouldn't a woman with an extra rib better support the story?
I don't have a least favorite, but the counting and begetting scriptures I am no into that much.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Males and females both have 24 ribs. How would a woman with 1 less rib validate Genesis' account of creation? Wouldn't a woman with an extra rib better support the story?
We do? hmmm. Looked it up, you're right, we all have 24 ribs.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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