Christs Two natures are what?

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

OK and what do you call each nature? Do you call the deity the Father and the Son the flesh? Or do you call both natures the Father?

I call them both together "Jesus."

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

So what hs the Father and the Son got to do with Jesus? Is Jesus not either of these, or is he only one or both? When Marks Gospel commences; 'The beginning of Jesus Christ the SON of God' what does Son mean and to which of his two natures does this term apply?

I didn't say anything about the Father and the Holy Spirit. I said I believe in hypostatic union, which is the union of Jesus' divinity and His humanity into one "person." The term "Son" applies solely to Jesus' humanity because the Son was begotten.

Originally Posted by Chan

I call them both together "Jesus."

So are you saying that Jesus is NEITHER the Father or the SON, is that what you believe? If you reply no, OK then if jesus is both the Father and the Son, which if his natures is the Father and which of his natures is the Son?

Originally Posted by Chan

I didn't say anything about the Father and the Holy Spirit. I said I believe in hypostatic union, which is the union of Jesus' divinity and His humanity into one "person." The term "Son" applies solely to Jesus' humanity because the Son was begotten.

OK so to clarify, the Son means humanity in yoru theology? So to you Father is the deity of Jesus and Son is the humanity of Jesus, is this a correct assessment of what you believe?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

OK so to clarify, the Son means humanity in yoru theology? So to you Father is the deity of Jesus and Son is the humanity of Jesus, is this a correct assessment of what you believe?

I think that's what many oneness folks would say.

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

OK so to clarify, the Son means humanity in yoru theology? So to you Father is the deity of Jesus and Son is the humanity of Jesus, is this a correct assessment of what you believe?

No. I adhere to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 A.D., as that Creed is used in Orthodox churches:

"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, True God of True God, Begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;

And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;

And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;

And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;

And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead,

Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the Prophets;

And we believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins.

We look for the Resurrection of the dead,

And the life of the age to come. Amen."

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

So are you saying that Jesus is NEITHER the Father or the SON, is that what you believe? If you reply no, OK then if jesus is both the Father and the Son, which if his natures is the Father and which of his natures is the Son?

I'm saying that Jesus is more than just the Son. I do not believe that Jesus' divinity is "the Father." I believe that Jesus' divinity is the logos (divine expression, memra, God's revealed essence).

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

I'm referring to the deity of Christ and then secondly to his humanity, how do you refer to each? Is Christ's deity the Father and his humanity the Father also? Or is his deity the Father and his humanity called the Son?

We answered you. Robert, consider this a warning. Stop spamming this forum with your anti Oneness posts. If you want to ask a sincere question and discuss it, fine. But what you are doing is posting anti Oneness polemics and then ignoring our responses to obfuscate things and attack strawman arguments

The two natures are Deity and Humanity. They are natures, not persons. I refer to each as Deity and Humanity. That was my answer. That was Chans answer and you ignoring our answers is not going to solicit a new one from us

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I think that's what many oneness folks would say.

Yes Truthseeker almost all Oneness folk explain the Father as Jesus' deity and the Son as Jesus' humanity, but as you can see these people hate to be tied down and so will purposly fight to be vague. For if their theology is ill defined and nebulous, then refuting something which isn't clearly defined is so much more difficult.

Originally Posted by Chan

No. I adhere to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 A.D., as that Creed is used in Orthodox churches:

"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, True God of True God, Begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;

And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;

And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;

And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;

And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead,

Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the Prophets;

And we believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins.

We look for the Resurrection of the dead,

And the life of the age to come. Amen."

This post is about Oneness, not Trinitarian creeds which I don't fully adhere to anyway as I reject the doctrine of eternal generation. Do you or do you not claim that the Father = deity of jesus and Son = humanity of Jesus.