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Old 04-23-2012, 03:43 PM
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Re: Fact About The End Time Remnant

MTD. Started thread so you can answer.
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Old 04-23-2012, 04:17 PM
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MTD, you keep saying the same thing over and over again. The Apostle John you referenced above said this by the Holy Ghost:

1 John 3
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

At least, we are quoting the scripture that states EXPLICITLY what we believe the COMMANDMENTS are.

You keep saying there are other COMMANDMENTS, but yet, you have not listed any. How can you say we need to keep the COMMANDS and yet not list a SINGLE one of them?

Do you realize we are basically asking you "what must we do to be saved?"
And yet, you can't tell us how to be saved?

How can you say "we are not committed to Jesus' COMMANDMENTS, but yet you won't even mention a SINGLE of those commandments?

If you care about our souls, and yet, you won't tell us what to DO to save our souls? okayyyyyy then.....
There has never been an issue as to whether I can give you commandments. I said the first time this demanding to know commandments began that the reason I am not doing it is because as soon as I do those who are fighting against it will simply brush it aside and start a new argument over it.

REMEMBER I SAID THAT?

Having said that I will now give the benefit of the doubt that there are maybe some who dont read their Bibles much and had no good teaching that really may not understand that their are many commandments.

I do this fully knowing there will be some who will now say that because I am doing it I am a "legalist" or compare me with the Pharisees, and attempt to prove I dont know how to walk in the Spirit.

Yet in the spirit of sincerity peradventure some reading this may desire the whole counsel of God I will proceed.

Jesus spent one day in teaching the things we can read in Matt 5-7 that were given for his disciples to do and not do.

I cannot post all of them here because of the space/word limitations of the Forum. However I am telling you or whoever may be interested that you may go there and read for yourselves.

Now after giving them a days worth of teaching he tells them this:

Matt. 7:21-23

7:21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 7:22 Many will tell me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?’ 7:23 Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.’

Why does he reject them? They did not do the will of God. Instead they worked iniquity.

In context of our discussion it might be asked why did Jesus go through all the trouble of teaching the things he did to those people? According to some here he needed not do it. When they sat down to listen why did he not say:

"Love God and love your neighbor".

It would have saved him that day from the labor of saying all that he said. They could have got up and went away saying now we have all the knowledge we need. It would have allowed Matthew to write one sentence in his gospel instead of three chapters.

Jesus felt the need here to EXPAND on his commandments. At other times he felt the need to SUMMARIZE them. Its not a case of one or the other.

All that Jesus said was true and needful. This is why its neccessary for us to know the whole counsel of God and also how to rightly divide the word of truth.

Be back with more for those who care....

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Re: Fact About The End Time Remnant

Now let us look into one of Pauls epistles and see if we can find commandments for the saints to do or not do.

We will just start at this point and see if we can find anything.

Ephesians 4:25-32

4:25 Therefore putting away falsehood, speak truth each one with his neighbor. For we are members of one another. 4:26 “Be angry, and don’t sin.”* Don’t let the sun go down on your wrath, 4:27 neither give place to the devil. 4:28 Let him who stole steal no more; but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing that is good, that he may have something to give to him who has need. 4:29 Let no corrupt speech proceed out of your mouth, but such as is good for building up as the need may be, that it may give grace to those who hear. 4:30 Don’t grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 4:31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, outcry, and slander, be put away from you, with all malice. 4:32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving each other, just as God also in Christ forgave you.

Eph. 5:1-7

5:1 Be therefore imitators of God, as beloved children. 5:2 Walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling fragrance. 5:3 But sexual immorality, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be mentioned among you, as becomes saints; 5:4 nor filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not appropriate; but rather giving of thanks.

5:5 Know this for sure, that no sexually immoral person, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and God.

5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words. For because of these things, the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. 5:7 Therefore don’t be partakers with them.

In this scripture portion Paul gives teachings or "commandments" to the Ephesian saints. Telling them how to be. What to do or not do. Then he says the wrath of God comes on people because of these things.

Then we could start here and perhaps find some more:

Eph. 5:15-33

5:15 Therefore watch carefully how you walk, not as unwise, but as wise; 5:16 redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 5:17 Therefore don’t be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 5:18 Don’t be drunken with wine, in which is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit, 5:19 speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs; singing, and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 5:20 giving thanks always concerning all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to God, even the Father; 5:21 subjecting yourselves one to another in the fear of Christ.

5:22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, and Christ also is the head of the assembly, being himself the savior of the body. 5:24 But as the assembly is subject to Christ, so let the wives also be to their own husbands in everything.

5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the assembly, and gave himself up for it; 5:26 that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word, 5:27 that he might present the assembly to himself gloriously, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 5:28 Even so husbands also ought to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself. 5:29 For no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourishes and cherishes it, even as the Lord also does the assembly; 5:30 because we are members of his body, of his flesh and bones. 5:31 “For this cause a man will leave his father and mother, and will be joined to his wife. The two will become one flesh.”* 5:32 This mystery is great, but I speak concerning Christ and of the assembly. 5:33 Nevertheless each of you must also love his own wife even as himself; and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

Do any of these things seem like commandments? Yes they all do.

Maybe there is more?

Ephesians 6:1-9

6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 6:2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with a promise: 6:3 “that it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth.”*

6:4 You fathers, don’t provoke your children to wrath, but nurture them in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

6:5 Servants, be obedient to those who according to the flesh are your masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as to Christ; 6:6 not in the way of service only when eyes are on you, as men pleasers; but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; 6:7 with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men; 6:8 knowing that whatever good thing each one does, he will receive the same again from the Lord, whether he is bound or free.

6:9 You masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with him.

What we can see is there are large portions of the apostles teaching given to them by Christ which is commandment after commandment or we might say instruction after instruction. Or we might say admonition after admonition.

The saints are not supposed to see this as something grievous. Rather they are to embrace and internalize them that their lives would be changed. That they through the power of the Holy Ghost would be changed into the image of Jesus.

Is this a good start?

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Re: Fact About The End Time Remnant

Who wants to be part of the end time remnant? The point of the thread is to demonstrate that in Revelation the Holy Ghost on various occasions identifies this remant as having the faith of Jesus and keeping his commandments.

We hear a lot about people believing in Jesus but little about keeping his commandments. When God sees his people he sees them as inseparable from his word.

Yet another example from the book of Revelation:

Rev. 20:4

20:4 I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand.

The end time saints are killed for their witness for Christ and his word. One is not a true disciple of Jesus apart from obedience to his teaching.

This remnant will be given immortality even eternal life. Those who are not obedient children to Jesus will never enter into the tree of life nor the New Jerusalem.
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Very nice! Complete enough, in spirit anyway, that you might describe how Grace fits in? Ty
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and I note that you managed to keep hair out of it, lol, ty.
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and I note that you managed to keep hair out of it, lol, ty.
And what about meat offered to idols? And blood?
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And what about meat offered to idols? And blood?
Hey; and how did pork suddenly become not "Smoke in God's nostrils?"
This is why I asked where Grace fits in--I would not contend with anyone about what they may eat, and believe one is covered by Grace there while in ignorance, but at what point am I abusing Grace? Of course, this is a personal line.
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Re: Fact About The End Time Remnant

Bump for Aquila.

You are in this thread. Now for what I said in response to you and others see posts 30, 32,33.

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