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Old 05-16-2007, 03:58 PM
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1. Welcome sign? You mean like the southern border????
YES, I HATE HAVING OPEN BORDERS!!



2. We were told that the evil Moslem Islamofascist terrorists hate our freedoms, and want to conduct terrorist attacks to destroy us and our freedoms.


Well, let's look at that.

Question: Can a bunch of ragheads in the desert backed by a bunch of hashish-smoking third world tin pot dictatorships really "Destroy America and take away our freedoms?"
NOT ON THE SAME SCALE AS WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO IRAQ


Question: Why is it that - in order to "save America" and "protect our freedoms" - we are told we have to do away with the 4th Amendment, the 5th Amendment, and habeus corpus, we have to enshrine torture and secret military tribunals as officially sanctioned policy, we need secret CIA-run prisons scattered around the world, people snatched and "disappeared" (no habeus corpus, remember?), Pentegon "advisors" advising on what major news networks can and cannot say, a White House office of propaganda feeding FAKE NEWS to not only foreign news reporters, but DOMESTIC NEWS REPORTERS AS WELL (ministry of propaganda, anyone?)...
DUDE, CHILL! I SAID THAT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE ARE LOSING OUR RIGHTS..


Why is it we have to lose our freedoms in order to "save democracy"?
WE DON'T HAVE TO, THAT'S JUST IT... AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND.. MAYBE GLENN BECK WAS RIGHT.. HE SAID THAT NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN REAL NEWS.. THEY WANT REPORTS ON PARIS HILTON GOING TO JAIL... LINDSAY LOHAN GETTING DRUNK, ETC..


We talk about how evil these Arabs are, but what's the difference between Saddam's torture chambers and our own Abu Ghraib festivities?
I DON'T AGREE WITH THE USE OF TORTURE, AND I SEE VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE
Berk, you need to realize that you are conversing with a fellow that sleeps under his bed for fear that the governement is about to enslave the masses.
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:58 PM
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"Ron Paul is a fruitcake... only 2 percent of Republicans like Ron Paul..."

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like Ferd's been sharing the Lortab with CC1...
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:59 PM
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additionally it is an INTERPRETATION that congress HAS to delcare war. It is NOT the position of the Supreme Court, nor is it the position of the actual words in the constitution.
Do what?

Article I Sec. 8 of the United States Constitution:

The Congress shall have power...etc. etc....

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;


It's not an interpetation of the Constitution that Congress has the power to declare war. It's the facts. It is the actual words in the Constitution, which unfortunately, too few people have read and too many people feel at ease to give their own spin on it.

The Supreme Court, btw, has also made many, many erroneous rulings in the past, so appealing to them as the arbiter of what is constitutional does not exactly do much for your case. Conservative author Mark Levin has a great book out called Men in Black which details a lot of the problems with the Supreme Court. Great reading.
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Ferd,

The good thing is we don't have to waste very much energy discussing this with the wacko's here because their man is at a whopping 2% in the legitimate polls of registered Republican voters. Ron Paul is going to fade faster than my summer tans.

He obviously has a fervent fan base but they could all fit in a VW bug with room to spare.
Can you provide links to these "legitimate polls"?

In the debates so far Ron Paul has never came in lower than the top 3.

I would find the "legitimate polls" you speak of interesting and would love to see them.
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Old 05-16-2007, 04:00 PM
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"Ron Paul is a fruitcake... only 2 percent of Republicans like Ron Paul..."

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!

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Yep...

In a field of 10 he still commands 25-33% of the polls that I have seen.

That is why I would like to see links to these polls they speak of.
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Old 05-16-2007, 04:01 PM
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Berk, you need to realize that you are conversing with a fellow that sleeps under his bed for fear that the governement is about to enslave the masses.
How juvenile.
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Old 05-16-2007, 04:01 PM
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Berk, you need to realize that you are conversing with a fellow that sleeps under his bed for fear that the governement is about to enslave the masses.
I really doubt that. I think some of the questions (the ones I didn't answer) were good!
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Can you provide links to these "legitimate polls"?

In the debates so far Ron Paul has never came in lower than the top 3.

I would find the "legitimate polls" you speak of interesting and would love to see them.
well here is a good start. it is slightly above 2% but Paul is behind Tom Tancredo for goodness sake!
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http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RonPaul2008dotcom
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I really doubt that. I think some of the questions (the ones I didn't answer) were good!
mozy over to GNC. you will find out otherwise. our good friend here is a bonified conspiracy theorest.

(the above is not an opinion it is a statement of fact.)
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