Why is endorsing gay marriage/civil unions bad?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Incest isn't a victimless crime. You either have a minor child involved in the incest, OR, even if they are both adults, you have the potential birth of a child with birth defects due to inbreeding. Once again there are reasons beyond the simple immorality of the act to help determine whether it should be illegal or not.

You can't use that argument in this case MB.
If you did, then the state would have a compelling reason to prohibit some "regular" people from having children.
Due to a high risk of children with genetic defects.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Incest isn't a victimless crime. You either have a minor child involved in the incest, OR, even if they are both adults, you have the potential birth of a child with birth defects due to inbreeding. Once again there are reasons beyond the simple immorality of the act to help determine whether it should be illegal or not.

I would argue against incest more along the lines of the social relationships allowing it destroys. Is my cousin trying to befriend me because he/she wants something else? Does your aunt/uncle want you over to try to seduce you? And all these situations can just as much apply to adults.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

You can't use that argument in this case MB.
If you did, then the state would have a compelling reason to prohibit some "regular" people from having children.
Due to a high risk of children with genetic defects.

The first portion of my argument is based on the protection of children, so it certainly stands (that the objection to incest is based on more than the simple immorality of the act).

The second portion explains why most people feel that incest is unethical. We have many laws based on ethics, and I assume this is one of them. It could easily be argued that parents who have genetic defects shouldn't reproduce children with those same defects. Personally, I consider it very selfish for parents to produce children when they know there is a huge risk of their children having debilitating diseases. Conversely, I am opposed to aborting babies even if it is known that they will have a birth defect. I also acknowledge that this is a slippery slope argument, but that doesn't mean it isn't a valid component to this discussion.

Ignorance is another consideration altogether.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I would argue against incest more along the lines of the social relationships allowing it destroys. Is my cousin trying to befriend me because he/she wants something else? Does your aunt/uncle want you over to try to seduce you? And all these situations can just as much apply to adults.

Let's focus here...

How can you deny consenting adults the right to form a marriage with whoever they want?

Are you saying the state can restrict this?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Let's focus here...

How can you deny consenting adults the right to form a marriage with whoever they want?

Are you saying the state can restrict this?

Let's focus: our country already allows gays to form whatever kind of union they want to--and throw all the white-dressed parties they want right along with it. They just can't have a marriage license and all the tax benefits that supposedly allows.

So once again: This discussion is NOT about preventing the homosexual act--unlike the prevention of incest or public nudity. It's about a piece of paper and tax filing status.

[Dordrecht]

This discussion is NOT about preventing the homosexual act--unlike the prevention of incest or public nudity. It's about a piece of paper and tax filing status.

No it's not.
It's about what God says is right or wrong.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

No it's not.
It's about what God says is right or wrong.

No, it's not. If it was about what God says is right or wrong, then homosexuality would be illegal. Oh, and so would adultery, fornication, viewing porn on a computer--maybe even telling dirty jokes. Let's start throwing people in jail for all of the above. And while we're slippery sloping, if you even THINK about having sex with a woman who isn't your wife, then go turn yourself in to the local police station--as a matter of principle.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

No, it's not. If it was about what God says is right or wrong, then homosexuality would be illegal. Oh, and so would adultery, fornication, viewing porn on a computer--maybe even telling dirty jokes. Let's start throwing people in jail for all of the above. And while we're slippery sloping, if you even THINK about having sex with a woman who isn't your wife, then go turn yourself in to the local police station--as a matter of principle.

....or a homosexual desire that your unwilling to act on because you know its wrong. But then if the desire is JUST as wrong as the act, you may as well go all the way (according to some).

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Let's focus: our country already allows gays to form whatever kind of union they want to--and throw all the white-dressed parties they want right along with it. They just can't have a marriage license and all the tax benefits that supposedly allows.

So once again: This discussion is NOT about preventing the homosexual act--unlike the prevention of incest or public nudity. It's about a piece of paper and tax filing status.

I agree.

And I believe the state has the right to restrict marriage.

Others here apparently do not.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

No, it's not. If it was about what God says is right or wrong, then homosexuality would be illegal. Oh, and so would adultery, fornication, viewing porn on a computer--maybe even telling dirty jokes. Let's start throwing people in jail for all of the above. And while we're slippery sloping, if you even THINK about having sex with a woman who isn't your wife, then go turn yourself in to the local police station--as a matter of principle.

Legal does not mean it's right.
The Bible teaches what is right or wrong, not the government.