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05-19-2012, 09:36 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
If this gospel is hid, it is hid to them which are lost. Anyone (adult) not baptized in Jesus name has not been born again of the water. Which is essential. John 3:3,5.
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05-19-2012, 09:36 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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see post number 14 above for an explanation from the Pentecostal Herald by former UPC Superintendent Howard Goss
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I agree with Goss.
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05-19-2012, 09:39 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: ( 1 Peter 3:21 KJV)
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05-19-2012, 09:46 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: ( 1 Peter 3:21 KJV) |
Nobody I've met believes that baptism saves us, especially oneness Pentecostals.
Now, again, where does the bible indicate the blood of the Lamb is applied by water at baptism?
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05-19-2012, 09:48 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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If this gospel is hid, it is hid to them which are lost. Anyone (adult) not baptized in Jesus name has not been born again of the water. Which is essential. John 3:3,5. |
The bible doesn't say anyone is born again of water, not John 3:3-5, not anywhere. The bible doesn't say anywhere that the blood of the Lamb is applied by water or words said over a person at baptism.
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05-19-2012, 09:51 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: ( 1 Peter 3:21 KJV) |
Indeed, because we are buried with Christ, baptism does speak of the salvation Christ purchased for us - and identifies us with Him. It is truly a part of the initiation into the body of believers.
I question the experience of anyone not desiring to submit to baptism.
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05-19-2012, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
Acts 2:38 says that repentance and baptism in Jesus name is FOR the remission of sins. How do you interpret that?
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Yeah, in English.
It depends on what the meaning of Eis is.
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05-19-2012, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
If this gospel is hid, it is hid to them which are lost. Anyone (adult) not baptized in Jesus name has not been born again of the water. Which is essential. John 3:3,5. |
Baptism is the Gospel? Paul said he was sent to preach, not to baptize.
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05-19-2012, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: ( 1 Peter 3:21 KJV) |
Right. Those who have been washed in the blood are baptized because their conscience has been cleansed.
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05-19-2012, 10:13 PM
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He who believes and is baptized shall be saved....
Believers are baptized.
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