A Picture of Jesus - Page 8

TGBTG · #71 05-30-2012, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by acerrak

your telling us your belief but your not showing it to us through scripture. we must be carefull to not do such things.

the fruit was not evil, the act of disobeying God was evil. niether adam and eve was possed with the devil nore does it ever say that the seperent put a seed in eve and thus cain was born.

It does say that adam fathered a child. who when born was named cain. Im still not sure how peopl eget the devil seed in eve there is nothing linking to or relating to it. now if you want to talk about spiritually then i can understand cause scripture talks about the fallen state of man.

But never does it imply that satan plants a seed in eve to produce cain.

This is where it is obtained from:

Gen 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Looking at what the bible says here, we have four objects in focus:
1. Thee - referring to the serpent (literal)
2. The woman - referring to Eve (literal)
3. Thy seed - referring to the offspring of the serpent (literal???)
4. her seed - referring to the offspring of Eve (literal)

So the question is who/what is the offspring of the serpent that is at enmity with the offspring of the woman?

As to Branham's belief, he believed that the bible referring to Cain as being of the wicked one means his father was the devil.

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Keep in mind that ALL of us are/were sinners (including Cain and Abel), so why would the bible refer to Cain as being of the wicked one?

Anyhow, I'm interested in what people think the seed of the serpent is...

acerrak · #72 05-30-2012, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

This is where it is obtained from:

Gen 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Looking at what the bible says here, we have four objects in focus:
1. Thee - referring to the serpent (literal)
2. The woman - referring to Eve (literal)
3. Thy seed - referring to the offspring of the serpent (literal???)
4. her seed - referring to the offspring of Eve (literal)

So the question is who/what is the offspring of the serpent that is at enmity with the offspring of the woman?

As to Branham's belief, he believed that the bible referring to Cain as being of the wicked one means his father was the devil.

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Keep in mind that ALL of us are/were sinners (including Cain and Abel), so why would the bible refer to Cain as being of the wicked one?

Anyhow, I'm interested in what people think the seed of the serpent is...

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Keep in mind that ALL of us are/were sinners (including Cain and Abel), so why would the bible refer to Cain as being of the wicked one?

there is a huge grey area here cause there was no law at this time, no 10 commandments. also enoch walked with God so would he be considered a sinner even though he was also translated. that is a rough area.
cause the sacrifice of abel was excepted by God so thus was considered a rightous man. however cains sacrifice was not accepted.

still cant get passed gen4:1 again if we want to talk about spiritual sure, but to be the seed of through conception it isnt happening cause gen 4:1 is very explicit. Adam had sexual intercourse, (I.E) to know her and she concieved the baby

all the other scriptures speak of spirtual Just as judas was considered the child of perdition. He was not born of by satan but because of sinful nature he was considered the seed of satan cause he followed after the father of lies. (better explained below)

this my main point in john when Jesus said you do not know my father, cause if you knew him you would know who sent me. but since you dont know me.

He even said you are decendants of abraham pointing to a physical blood line

then he said
John 8
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

You see its not a natural seed, nor is cain born of a natural seed from satan. it is a spiritual meaning, cause these jews wanted to kill Jesus, so because of the intent of their heart he called them children of the devil.

there is really no ground in which a person can make the claim that satan physically produced a seed in eve to make cain. But if you want to talk about the intent of the heart then yes he is of his father satan, not because of birth but because of intent in his heart.

we are seeds of God. though God did not physical come down and get my mother pregnant with me. I am considered his Seed spiritually through Christ.

The two seeds seperated are the wheat and the weeds. You are either for God or against God.

TGBTG · #73 05-30-2012, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by acerrak

there is a huge grey area here cause there was no law at this time, no 10 commandments. also enoch walked with God so would he be considered a sinner even though he was also translated. that is a rough area.
cause the sacrifice of abel was excepted by God so thus was considered a rightous man. however cains sacrifice was not accepted.

still cant get passed gen4:1 again if we want to talk about spiritual sure, but to be the seed of through conception it isnt happening cause gen 4:1 is very explicit. Adam had sexual intercourse, (I.E) to know her and she concieved the baby

all the other scriptures speak of spirtual Just as judas was considered the child of perdition. He was not born of by satan but because of sinful nature he was considered the seed of satan cause he followed after the father of lies. (better explained below)

this my main point in john when Jesus said you do not know my father, cause if you knew him you would know who sent me. but since you dont know me.

He even said you are decendants of abraham pointing to a physical blood line

then he said
John 8
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

You see its not a natural seed, nor is cain born of a natural seed from satan. it is a spiritual meaning, cause these jews wanted to kill Jesus, so because of the intent of their heart he called them children of the devil.

here is really no ground in which a person can make the claim that satan physically produced a seed in eve to make cain. But if you want to talk about the intent of the heart then yes he is of his father satan, not because of birth but because of intent in his heart.

we are seeds of God. though God did not physical come down and get my mother pregnant with me. I am considered his Seed spiritually through Christ.

The two seeds seperated are the wheat and the weeds. You are either for God or against God.

What do you think is the seed of the serpent (Gen 3:15) that God said he will put enmity between it and the seed of the woman?

acerrak · #74 05-30-2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

What do you think is the seed of the serpent (Gen 3:15) that God said he will put enmity between it and the seed of the woman?

its in my last post

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The two seeds seperated are the wheat and the weeds. You are either for God or against God.

The Parable of
The Wheat and the Weeds
Matt 13:24-30; 36-43
He set another parable before them, saying,
"The Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field,
but while people slept,
his enemy came and sowed darnel also among the wheat, and went away.
But when the blade sprang up and brought forth fruit, then the darnel appeared also.

The servants of the householder came and said to him,
‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field?
Where did this darnel come from?’
"He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’
"The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and gather them up?’
"But he said, ‘No, lest perhaps while you gather up the darnel,
you root up the wheat with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest,
and in the harvest time I will tell the reapers,

TGBTG · #75 05-30-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by acerrak

its in my last post

So I take it that you do not subscribe to the notion that the seed of the woman referred to the coming Christ?

Btw, your stand brings up an interesting point. If God puts the enmity between the wheat and the tares, then the tares are automatically bound for hell, which would imply predestination, BUT that's a whole 'nother can of worms...haha

Sam · #76 05-30-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by strait shooter

...What next??...a teaching that Lilith was really the 1st wife of Adam????

you don't believe that she was Adam's first wife?

acerrak · #77 05-30-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

So I take it that you do not subscribe to the notion that the seed of the woman referred to the coming Christ?

Btw, your stand brings up an interesting point. If God puts the enmity between the wheat and the tares, then the tares are automatically bound for hell, which would imply predestination, BUT that's a whole 'nother can of worms...haha

some people link it to the comming of Christ but are we not the seed of God in Christ. so i would think it much of the church and not just Christ alone.

again if we look at abraham God said i will multiply your seed. genesis 22:17 so the word seed doesnt just mean one person.

abraham had 2 seeds and God multiplied them both, Ishmael and Isaac. yet all are considered the seed of abraham.

and yes we can leave the predistination one alone for now lol

Sam · #78 05-30-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

What do you think is the seed of the serpent (Gen 3:15) that God said he will put enmity between it and the seed of the woman?

There have always been those who serve the Lord and those who oppose the Lord.

bbyrd009 · #79 05-30-2012, 08:45 AM

Yup. Not sure I could add anything at "serpent seed," except that my understanding was that anyone who accepts Christ can be saved...and also there seems to be some further illumination (that I haven't gotten yet) at "Ish" (8th day creation) and Adam (6th day creation, all fallen).

I would reiterate that the word "all" in Scripture, even at Gen 4:1, has been translated for us,
and we tend to read too literally. Being extreme now, Eve obv was not the mother of...alligators (living) for instance. Not sure if you might call her the mother of Geber or not...etc.

AMurray has a sermon on this, but surely similar to Branham's.

acerrak · #80 05-30-2012, 09:02 AM

yes it has been translated but anyone can go back and look at the old and modern hebrew it is in.
infact you can take online courses in old hebrew dealing specifically with the old testament as there is teachers that will do video conferences based around your schedule for your convienance ofcourse this cost money. you can also down load mp3's of the bible being read in hebrew as well and listen to them and follow along.