Is there anyone who is Apostolic anymore?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

The same biblical purpose that you would use for a preacher with a Mohawk I'm sure

Well in my area, a Mohawked preacha would be limiting his audience by about 90%. I sincerely don't believe there would be any limiting in the case of a beard... well ok perhaps one or two would go to the church down the road - but that is only because of self inflicted harm in past messages. It would certainly allow some to stay that would have been spurned in years gone by.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Let me further make a point.

In UPC, if a man commits adultery, he can never ever hold a license to preach with the UPC. Not even if he repents and becomes the most honorable saint in the system. What happens to the man whose gift and calling to serve the Lord in the capacity the Lord called him to serve is refused admittance to preach and pastor? (The gifts and callings of the Lord are without repentance.)

You know, AYR...I had the exact same question not that long.

I told my Elder, that doesn't seem very Christ-like to kick them out of the UPC altogether because they made a mistake.

We have a minister that comes to our church quite often. He pastors in a neighboring city. A long time ago he made some poor decisions while he was licensed with the UPCI. Now, he can no longer have one even though he has repented and is now pastoring an Apostolic Church.

I don't have a satisfactory answer for you, other than...a line has to be drawn somewhere.

At what point is enough enough?

But I agree with you about this and it's a problem the UPC has (what organization doesn't have issues?).

The gifts and calling are without repentance. Bro. Arnold preached on this some time ago.

When God calls a man or woman to do or be something, he or she is that until they die. If they are a prophet, then they are a prophet until they die. Regardless if they have credentials or not.

That's my take on it.

It's so easy, once you've been offended to find other things that are wrong with that entity that has offended you. It's like they just magnify that much more.

I recognize that my organization is not perfect. I recognize that my organization is ran my humans. Some have pride. Some have egos. Some are great apostolic men and women of God.

[kerry]

Originally Posted by houston

I hope there's no one with a BEAR on the platform.

lol

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

No it's not and neither is a beard that is the point. But In general a Mohawk identifies you with the world not the church and the church is just trying its best to be seperate from the world.

Ok. If the church is going to separate, then why just separate partially like they do? The only religion I know that truly separates themselves from the world are the Amish. No mortgages. No utility bills. No water bills. No insurance requirements. No medical mandates until 2014. No investing monies into the stocks and bonds. And all live commonly with all their homes the same structure as their neighbor.

Let the church live like them for a true separation.

So you see, it is not a true separation, but just a set of club rules that all must abide by.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

In the time we need to be united the most against the enemy, we are fragmented over shorts, make-up, and television... your words my friend.

You hold me responsible for your own discord on things of which your bible is silent? Get real. The Prophet Dhul-kifl (Ezekiel) spoke of bad shepherds and what happens to their flocks. Chapter 34 I believe.

Do you think or believe that there is a difference between feeding yourselves and your pockets from your flocks and feeding your egos by imposing your own rules on them?

I stand by my statement, knowing that I am correct.

You're sowing discord on this particular forum based off an agenda on your part.

I will not discuss this further with you. Good day.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Ok. If the church is going to separate, then why just separate partially like they do? The only religion I know that truly separates themselves from the world are the Amish. No mortgages. No utility bills. No water bills. No insurance requirements. No medical mandates until 2014. No investing monies into the stocks and bonds. And all live commonly with all their homes the same structure as their neighbor.

Let the church live like them for a true separation.

So you see, it is not a true separation, but just a set of club rules that all must abide by.

If that's your conviction I won't throw stones at you...

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Ok. If the church is going to separate, then why just separate partially like they do? The only religion I know that truly separates themselves from the world are the Amish. No mortgages. No utility bills. No water bills. No insurance requirements. No medical mandates until 2014. No investing monies into the stocks and bonds. And all live commonly with all their homes the same structure as their neighbor.

Let the church live like them for a true separation.

So you see, it is not a true separation, but just a set of club rules that all must abide by.

If I lived like the Amish, I would never be able to fulfill my calling of taking this glorious Gospel to the entire world. Notice that they are not exactly the most talkative bunch .

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

It's so easy, once you've been offended to find other things that are wrong with that entity that has offended you. It's like they just magnify that much more.

I recognize that my organization is not perfect. I recognize that my organization is ran my humans. Some have pride. Some have egos. Some are great apostolic men and women of God.

Never said that there were not some great apostolic men and women in the system. I am plainly talking about errant pastors who are hard hearted towards people and are harder on them than they are their loved ones who make the same mistake.

This is where you do not know me. I have voiced my concern over this in my early years in the organized church system. Nobody ever gave me an adequate answer...so please do not confuse this issue with the complicated issues that have happened to me. I am pretty thick skinned and do not run like a rabbit because of just a few offenses. I stuck it out a long time. Longer than I should have.

You did not answer my question as to why blood is thicker than water with many pastors?

[Walks_in_islam]

Interesting on what you declare is bible or not bible.

Your words:

Anyone who has left Acts 2:38, One God, and Holiness are considered backslidden, and I will not fellowship with them after that point. That's Bible too, by the way.

Actual bible:

My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

I am guessing that your fruits are falling?

Originally Posted by BroJoe

I'm sorry you have had these experiences. Not the way Christ intended it to be.

Your entire response can best be directed at those who abuse and twist people who have slidden away.

Again. Anyone who has left Acts 2:38, One God, and Holiness are considered backslidden, and I will not fellowship with them after that point. That's Bible too, by the way.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

If I lived like the Amish, I would never be able to fulfill my calling of taking this glorious Gospel to the entire world. Notice that they are not exactly the most talkative bunch .

So then you cannot truly say that you are separate from the world then.