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Old 07-09-2012, 11:59 AM
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Re: Is OPism anti-intellectual?

At the same time, there are more OP's that feel the need to ask their Pastor's permission to do many things.

My husband was actually encouraged to drop out of Community College when he was a young man, which he did. He spent 30 years doing hard labor at the local factory and he put up with a good bit of abuse. Don't get me wrong, it put food on the table and we lived tight, especially when this company had the tendency to send people home when they "forgot" to order the materials they needed, or some other such things happened that were beyond their control as it sometimes is in a factory.

However, had the Pastor counseled him to stay in school, change his major for a more viable career, he would have received more tithe money than he did when we payed tithes on a factory income.

I encouraged...no fought with one of my sons for him to continue on to higher education after high school so that he would not be stuck in a dead end job. He now values that he went through although he absolutely hated going to school.

My other son just graduated from the University with a BS degree in Biochemistry and is going on to professional school. Both my boys have gone to public school all their lives. I think how they live for God, but not always, depends on parental involvement. Many parents leave Bible teachings to the church, which in my opinion is a very bad idea. When my children came home telling me about something they have been taught at school or what some other child did or said to them, we counseled them accordingly. I've made a many trips to the school for their defense over unjust problems. It happens even in the church.

Both my husband and I believe that family comes first. That the father of the children has any say over any pastor, especially if what the Pastor says cannot be scripturally proven. And we have found in many cases, it is just a matter of being a control issue and not scripturally sound on the pastor's part.

So...each region is different. Each family needs to not delegate their responsibilities to any other man but to pray as a family for the things necessary to earn a living in this world.

Incidentally, after we left UPC, we had many criticisms from other members that we did not bring our children to UPC church. Some said that they were "worried" about our children. My husband asked those people who were worried, what about YOUR children? The answer was that no...they did not come to church like they should. Or others came to church, but they lived "like the world". Yet others kept the standards and came to church every time the doors opened but had babies out of wedlock.

Perhaps we as families would be better off if we just mind our own household and leave others alone except to pray for them.
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:08 PM
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Re: Is OPism anti-intellectual?

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I have found that a lot of my OP friends are horrified that my oldest son chose to get a Ph.D and has delayed marriage in order to be able to do that.

My youngest graduated from the church school, which had terrible academics... (fortunately he was saved by the local community college dual credit program and got in to TAMU)... When I asked why they did not improve their program I was told that most the kids are either getting married or going to Bible College (which evidently has no standards either)...

Do others find that the church seems anti-education? Or is this just something in our locality?
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In my experience, Oneness pentecostals in general aren't any more or less anti-education or anti-intellectual than any other faith group really (although there are pockets of lower income people in the ghettoes/inner cities and I guess in very rural poor areas that are). However, OPs seem to be very underrepresented in areas such as the arts and literature. If they are going for advanced degrees, they are gravitating towards more conservative and practical professions such as education, computers, business/accounting, health care and the sciences. I suppose that this is because of the practicalities of these careers. OPs aren't getting a lot of MFA degrees or degrees in psych.

I honestly think that the media and some trinitarian groups promote anti-Oneness/anti-apostolic ideas/sentiments and paint OPs and Pentecostals in general as uneducated reactionaries. And I also think that some of this is rooted in bad blood (almost like an outgrowth of a Hatfields and the Mccoys type feud, like someone was done wrong by someone in some church situation and like Cain, has been taken over by a root of bitterness that has festered and grown into a demonically inspired movement against the church.)

One more thing I've noticed is that people who view school as a place to get career training tend to go in and do just that, regardless of their religious beliefs. If they do get a higher degree, it tends to be for career reasons. Then there are those who find deep meaning and identity in being a student or of just pursuing knowledge for its own sake or as an answer to the deep questions of life. These persons, I have noticed, tend to be anti-fundamental religion: not just Christianity, but all conservative religion.
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:31 PM
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Re: Is OPism anti-intellectual?

Opie-ism?

I dunno... but Fife-ism... definitely anti-intellectual!
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The North Little Rock church gives scholarships to almost all of their graduates who attend college.
I want to say that it is all, but I am not certain.
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Re: Is OPism anti-intellectual?

OPs can be anti-intelectual. Certainly in some pockets more than others. There are parts of East Texas that can be narrowly focused.... LOL...

There are other areas where it is expected that kids will just go to college. When I was at McNeese in Lake Charles, there were tons of OPs. It was a great place. There are a lot of churches in that area where the culture is that you simply go to college. period.

But yea. There are pockets where the thinking remains get married at 18, work construction or some such and have babies. It is just weird to me.

My kids will grow up with a basic understanding that they arent done with school until they have college degrees.
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OPs can be anti-intelectual. Certainly in some pockets more than others. There are parts of East Texas that can be narrowly focused.... LOL...

There are other areas where it is expected that kids will just go to college. When I was at McNeese in Lake Charles, there were tons of OPs. It was a great place. There are a lot of churches in that area where the culture is that you simply go to college. period.

But yea. There are pockets where the thinking remains get married at 18, work construction or some such and have babies. It is just weird to me.

My kids will grow up with a basic understanding that they arent done with school until they have college degrees.
Will you try to steer their interests, or are you open to them pursuing what they want as far a college/career?
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Will you try to steer their interests, or are you open to them pursuing what they want as far a college/career?
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OPs can be anti-intelectual. Certainly in some pockets more than others. There are parts of East Texas that can be narrowly focused.... LOL...

There are other areas where it is expected that kids will just go to college. When I was at McNeese in Lake Charles, there were tons of OPs. It was a great place. There are a lot of churches in that area where the culture is that you simply go to college. period.

But yea. There are pockets where the thinking remains get married at 18, work construction or some such and have babies. It is just weird to me.

My kids will grow up with a basic understanding that they arent done with school until they have college degrees.
That's the tact we have taken, too. Also, we have told our girls that if they go to Bible College, it's important to get a degree in something else, too--as a back up plan. (Thanks to Rhoni for driving that point home with me. It may be the only point she ever persuaded me of. )

Personally, I don't think kids at 18 should be making firm decisions about their career (e.g., which degree they need). It's best to work on core curriculum and decide on specifics gradually as they are exposed to different interests and find out more about themselves and their abilities.
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The prudent parents will watch what their child's interests are in...what they excel in academically while starting in middle school and high school. It is important that they excel in certain academics before graduating high school and have a general idea of interest in a career.

This way if they want to move on to a professional school after college, their chances of being accepted is greater if it can be shown that this is what they have been working towards since high school.

I know my son applied for a very competitive post graduate professional school, was accepted, and it was because of his interest since high school in the profession.
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Personally, I don't think kids at 18 should be making firm decisions about their career (e.g., which degree they need). It's best to work on core curriculum and decide on specifics gradually as they are exposed to different interests and find out more about themselves and their abilities.
And this is how I feel about marriage. One barely even knows themselves at 18 or 19 years old... Knowing how to fit together a life with another person is exponentially harder than deciding about career.

A career choice can be changed... a dear friend of mine was just accepted into medical schoool after teaching elementry school for 17 years. Not that she did not love teaching but she missed her opertunity for medicial school and took an easier education degree when she married and got pregnant. In four short years she will be a doctor at the tender age of 45.

I am glad to see so many here that plan for their kids to go to college.
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