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07-10-2012, 01:48 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Some thoughts(since I am a pastor and have known the pastor this is some observations maybe not thought of)
1. The former pastor was a demanded preacher and singer for which he recieved I would say a sizable income from his preaching out also he was an organizational official for year that probably(?) netted some income. Like mpst preachers of that era he probably dumped it all right back into the church. Pastor who teach the tithes belongs to the ministry(I believe that also) the majority pay most of the church bills and improvements and guest preachers out of the tithe. Years ago the tax professionals were telling us do NOT have two accounts. That has changed but I can see how a man 20 years or more to my senior might not comprehend the changes in the tax laws? Thus this unfortunate ordeal.
2. I wonder if the members thought of asking those prominent men who fellowshipped the church and pastor about coming in and trying to reconcile this situation? I know some of the men that were close to the pastor and church maybe their influence could help?
3. Some church in the area is getting ready to have revival.
4. I feel so sad for the saints who have been faithful.
5. I do NOT believe the church should be set up like a family business where the family decides who is going to be the pastor.
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07-10-2012, 02:26 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
BTW aside from family run churches, could this also be a problem of churches that leave organizations and become independent? There isn't really anyone one can go to to complain
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07-10-2012, 04:12 PM
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If the local preacher was the pastor's choice as next pastor, why didn't he mention it to the congregation, or to anybody else besides his daughter?
Why is the relationship between the daughter and the would- be pastor not relevant to this situation? Everyone in the church knows about it and talks about it. The previous pastor was very anti-remarriage, so wouldn't the daughter try keep any romantic relationship as secret as possible?
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I would LOVE to hear the other side of this story! Will they allow an independent audit of the church's finances? I would LOVE to hear their explanation why they sent out the certified letters kicking out long time members of the church who happened to vote against the local preacher as pastor! I would LOVE to know why no unbiased outside preacher friend is being brought in to handle the process of finding a new pastor for the church!
I was told that it has gotten to he point where some members won't talk to each other, and the pro-local guy crowd is sitting on one side of the church and the anti-local guy crowd are sitting on the other side of the church! I can't help but smile thinking about how one side might try to out-spiritualize the other side! How will tongues and interpretation be handled?
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07-10-2012, 04:15 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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I wonder what God thought about Family run ARKS! LOL!
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That would not be apple to apples. There was no one else to choose. Today there is more than just family. 
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07-10-2012, 04:30 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by StillStanding
I was told that it has gotten to he point where some members won't talk to each other, and the pro-local guy crowd is sitting on one side of the church and the anti-local guy crowd are sitting on the other side of the church! I can't help but smile thinking about how one side might try to out-spiritualize the other side! How will tongues and interpretation be handled?
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Sounds like a recipe for revival to me!!!!
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07-10-2012, 04:32 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
God bless this church family, lead and guide them in Jesus Name.
I can't even imagine how torn and hurt many of these people are.
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07-10-2012, 07:16 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
I just found out that they are bringing the local preacher, who was previously voted down, up for another vote to be pastor! (minus all the saints who were given the certified letter of dismissal as church members!)
The plan works to perfection! No other alternate was ever offered! 
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07-10-2012, 08:12 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by StillStanding
I just found out that they are bringing the local preacher, who was previously voted down, up for another vote to be pastor! (minus all the saints who were given the certified letter of dismissal as church members!)
The plan works to perfection! No other alternate was ever offered! |
A plan worthy of the Imperial President himself.
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07-10-2012, 09:18 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by Cindy
I think y'all just got the run around, and nobody wanted to help. Was the previous pastor related to or friends with the DS?
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He had been on the district board for 18 years and his wife was the ladies auxiliary president. See what a mess it would have been if they would have looked?
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07-10-2012, 09:22 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
Yeah...if one does not look, then they do not know.  Gee....we just had no idea! 
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