A Wrecked Church! - Page 35

AreYouReady? · #**341** 07-17-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

It's with sadness that I read of stories like this and the hurt and harm that comes to the children of God through such behavior. I realize the people have been hurt/harmed and even though it seems that the individuals who are controlling the building church system are inflicting pain and suffering, they're probably experiencing the same thing themselves. Probably in their mind they're protecting their building church system and see the individuals who are against them as against the truth.

The main problem is with the typical oneness Pentecostal church building system. I've noticed the typical phrase of 'bro so-and-so's' church in this thread and others. Go to 'bro so-and-so's church'. 'Bro-so-and-so' has a great church in this town and that town. Such 'church' systems are a disservice to God. It's not his system, but preachers will work and suffer and work the people and politic and money-money and 'building is the house of the Lord, , in order to build a manmade kingdom. The people are taught to serve the pastor and building and then when something comes along like the fiasco we're reading about, seeing the hurt and harm and pain and suffering, little is said that the preacher set up a system which isn't scriptural at all. It's almost like a franchise with McDonalds competing with Burger King and Burger King competing with Wendy's and if an individual has the particular denominational franchise, UPC, ALJC, Other, then they have the rights to a certain territory. When the franchisee passes away, the franchise is still owned and controlled by the family. So it is with some much of the oneness Pentecostal system. The father passes the franchise on to the children. The father and his family have put money and time and effort and tears into the franchise and therefore the son/daughter inherits the 'church' business.

This problem we're reading about originated with the Roman Catholic Church and the system which they instituted with didn't have scriptural support, as much of their teachings lack. The building=church and a pope-like figure heading the building-church has it's basis in Roman Catholicism. The pope/preacher is to be obeyed, he's the guy who speaks for God and to question him or the building-church system is blasphemy and the reward for such individual behavior is hell.

The sheep are scattered in this sordid story because of two things. First, the 'church' system which was established was against scripture to begin with and second, the devil knew it.

Sadly, those sheep who are scattered think the pastor was their shepherd instead of Jesus and they believe that they must attend and support a church=building system in order to not forsake the assembling of themselves together. Because of the error which was taught as truth to them, they are unable to simply meet as the New Testament church did. The Roman Catholic system puts people in bondage to the building=church system that few can escape from.

The best thing that could happen is that they never attend another building=church system and do as the New Testament church did. Unless that happens they're just trading Roman Catholic systems of bondage.

This pretty much sums it up.

Of course you are not going to get many "amens" from your post because the people have been taught to believe it just as you posted.

HeavenBound · #**342** 07-17-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

There you have it. Who is this bishop and why does he think he has the right to do this? I thought this was an independent church? When they start giving rules about not being allowed to talk to each other, yes, Hail Hitler are the right words to use, I'd say.

He was a superintendent of the ALJC for a time and is a Bishop of a Church in another state and was asked by the deceased Pastor's daughter and her choice for Pastor to please come advise them. They gave him the right although the majority didn't like it.

HeavenBound · #**343** 07-17-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

How can people with the Holy Ghost not feel 'at home' with others who have the Holy Ghost... barring any weirdness going on or something?

EVERYPLACE I have been to that was full of Holy Ghost people, I have felt 'at home'.

That doesn't mean I agree with everything family members do, but still, family is family.

Right?

I don't get this being so attached to a particular congregation that one cannot 'feel at home' with another, assuming the Spirit is the same?

Maybe it's my lack of traditional upbringing or something.

Remember some of these members are 80 or older and have been together most of their lives.

mizpeh · #**344** 07-17-2012, 02:25 PM

How very sad! I read the majority of this thread this morning after working all night and about half way through began to feel the sweet presence of God. Praying for these folks.

StillStanding · #**345** 07-17-2012, 02:29 PM

Well.......surprise, surprise! I was just told the the local pastor won the vote last night as new pastor 10-2! This goes down as the most unbelievable farce church business vote that I've ever heard of in my lifetime! Shame on them!

rgcraig · #**346** 07-17-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by StillStanding

Well.......surprise, surprise! I was just told the the local pastor won the vote last night as new pastor 10-2! This goes down as the most unbelievable farce church business vote that I've ever heard of in my lifetime! Shame on them!

12 people....wow!

I'm surprised they even counted the two neys.

So, very sad and I know very hurtful for the majority of those precious saints. I pray they find a place of love and healing.

Rapture 1 · #**347** 07-17-2012, 02:53 PM

The 3 men that they sent letters to, to vote, because they didn't show up (which they knew they wouldn"t), they, the "Bishop",(even tho he isn't a member), and the others put them down as a yes vote for *****. He would have still won because they knew how many letters were sent and how they would vote!! So ,I believe it was 12 to 2. Is this illegal or what?

HolyFire · #**348** 07-17-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

It's with sadness that I read of stories like this and the hurt and harm that comes to the children of God through such behavior. I realize the people have been hurt/harmed and even though it seems that the individuals who are controlling the building church system are inflicting pain and suffering, they're probably experiencing the same thing themselves. Probably in their mind they're protecting their building church system and see the individuals who are against them as against the truth.

The main problem is with the typical oneness Pentecostal church building system. I've noticed the typical phrase of 'bro so-and-so's' church in this thread and others. Go to 'bro so-and-so's church'. 'Bro-so-and-so' has a great church in this town and that town. Such 'church' systems are a disservice to God. It's not his system, but preachers will work and suffer and work the people and politic and money-money and 'building is the house of the Lord, , in order to build a manmade kingdom. The people are taught to serve the pastor and building and then when something comes along like the fiasco we're reading about, seeing the hurt and harm and pain and suffering, little is said that the preacher set up a system which isn't scriptural at all. It's almost like a franchise with McDonalds competing with Burger King and Burger King competing with Wendy's and if an individual has the particular denominational franchise, UPC, ALJC, Other, then they have the rights to a certain territory. When the franchisee passes away, the franchise is still owned and controlled by the family. So it is with some much of the oneness Pentecostal system. The father passes the franchise on to the children. The father and his family have put money and time and effort and tears into the franchise and therefore the son/daughter inherits the 'church' business.

This problem we're reading about originated with the Roman Catholic Church and the system which they instituted with didn't have scriptural support, as much of their teachings lack. The building=church and a pope-like figure heading the building-church has it's basis in Roman Catholicism. The pope/preacher is to be obeyed, he's the guy who speaks for God and to question him or the building-church system is blasphemy and the reward for such individual behavior is hell.

The sheep are scattered in this sordid story because of two things. First, the 'church' system which was established was against scripture to begin with and second, the devil knew it.

Sadly, those sheep who are scattered think the pastor was their shepherd instead of Jesus and they believe that they must attend and support a church=building system in order to not forsake the assembling of themselves together. Because of the error which was taught as truth to them, they are unable to simply meet as the New Testament church did. The Roman Catholic system puts people in bondage to the building=church system that few can escape from.

The best thing that could happen is that they never attend another building=church system and do as the New Testament church did. Unless that happens they're just trading Roman Catholic systems of bondage.

I'm against a family owned and operated church system, but how is it supposed to work? What's the scriptural method?

rgcraig · #**349** 07-17-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapture 1

The 3 men that they sent letters to, to vote, because they didn't show up (which they knew they wouldn"t), they, the "Bishop",(even tho he isn't a member), and the others put them down as a yes vote for *****. He would have still won because they knew how many letters were sent and how they would vote!! So ,I believe it was 12 to 2. Is this illegal or what?

Thinking that God wouldn't approve.

Esaias · #**350** 07-17-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

One question how long have you been in one local congregation? Some of these folks married in that church-raised their children there-and even their grandchildren. They have been faithful thru thick and thin attending services for years. That local church is their church family. This is like an unwanted divorce when you have been happy in the marriage. They may go somewhere and heal but in these senior years I doubt they live long enough to feel at home. However I encourage them to get up and get out and find somewhere to go. I suggest Elder Adam's church.

That's what I was saying... must be my lack of traditional upbringing. I can understand the hurt and pain, but I honestly cannot understand (relate, maybe?) the idea of not feeling at home with Holy Ghost people. I have stopped in for a meeting out of state at a church I saw listed in the phone book... and felt right at home. Same Spirit.

Course, they say Tennessee is a lot like Texas, so...