Jesus had already taught that the old food laws were no longer obligatory as recorded in Mark 7:18-23
18 He replied to them, “So you too are without understanding? Don’t you see that nothing going into a person from outside can make him unclean? 19 For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and it passes out into the latrine.” (Thus he declared all foods ritually clean.) 20 “It is what comes out of a person,” he went on, “that makes him unclean. 21 For from within, out of a person’s heart, come forth wicked thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 greed, malice, deceit, indecency, envy, slander, arrogance, foolishness…. 23 All these wicked things come from within, and they make a person unclean.” CJB
The way I understand this verse, the words that are shown in parentheses in the CJB are Mark's comment on what Jesus said. In the Thompson KJV those words are in red as if Jesus said them. There are differences of opinion among those who translate/edit/provide different versions as to whether that phrase is part of Jesus' words or a comment by the author of that Gospel.
Sam, I don't see that "comment" in the KJV Mark 7
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
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Exactly. So, does everyone here believe that God will not again change His mind about what He requires of people?
In context, the pharisees were accusing Jesus and his disciples of eating without washing their hands prior to eating.
Mark 7
1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
See what Jesus said:
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Jesus' rebuke was AGAINST the tradition of men being UPHELD as the commandment of God.
That is the context of that scripture.
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...Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ...(Acts 20:21)
Sam, I don't see that "comment" in the KJV Mark 7
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
The words I bolded in your quote are what I was speaking of. My Thompson KJV Bible shows them in red as if they are part of the words of Jesus.
In Bible Gateway those words are included in quotation marks in the NKJV as part of the words of Jesus.
In the Amplified Bible, the NIV, and the NLT these words are included in parentheses as a comment by the author of the Gospel of Mark like the quote I gave from the CJB.
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Exactly. So, does everyone here believe that God will not again change His mind about what He requires of people?
I don't know that it is God changing His mind.
Under the dispensation of Law, certain foods were forbidden.
Since we are under grace, we no longer have to comply with the old Law.
As per God changing his mind, God did not change his mind. Under the old covenant, there were specific foods that were unclean for JEWS to eat.
The UNCLEAN FOODs were still unclean until the new covenant was enacted.
God did not change his mind. The gospel of Christ had always been the original intent of God. He enacted the law as a placeholder until the time when his original intent would be manifested.
Gal 3
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Notice that Paul is telling us that God already spoke about the gospel to Abraham (in thy "seed" that is Christ) even before the law was given.
Continuing...
Gal 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Paul is showing us God's original intent was to save man through the gospel of Christ Jesus and God had already preached to Abraham this gospel. (The law coming 430 years after CANNOT DISANNUL the promise that was already given)
Continuing... Gal 3
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Paul is telling us "why was the law given then since it cannot disannul the promise already made to Abraham?"
And he gives the answer right there: "till the seed should come to whom the promise was made"
The law was a placeholder until the time of reformation
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
So we see that God did not change his mind.
In fact way back in Gen 3:15, he had spoken of the seed to come.
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...Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ...(Acts 20:21)
In context, the pharisees were accusing Jesus and his disciples of eating without washing their hands prior to eating.
Mark 7
1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
See what Jesus said:
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Jesus' rebuke was AGAINST the tradition of men being UPHELD as the commandment of God.
That is the context of that scripture.
As for the rules about eating unclean animals, is it your opinion that they were merely traditions of men, and not (originally) commandments of God?
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As per God changing his mind, God did not change his mind. Under the old covenant, there were specific foods that were unclean for JEWS to eat.
The UNCLEAN FOODs were still unclean until the new covenant was enacted.
God did not change his mind. The gospel of Christ had always been the original intent of God. He enacted the law as a placeholder until the time when his original intent would be manifested.
Gal 3
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Notice that Paul is telling us that God already spoke about the gospel to Abraham (in thy "seed" that is Christ) even before the law was given.
Continuing...
Gal 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Paul is showing us God's original intent was to save man through the gospel of Christ Jesus and God had already preached to Abraham this gospel. (The law coming 430 years after CANNOT DISANNUL the promise that was already given)
Continuing... Gal 3
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Paul is telling us "why was the law given then since it cannot disannul the promise already made to Abraham?"
And he gives the answer right there: "till the seed should come to whom the promise was made"
The law was a placeholder until the time of reformation
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
So we see that God did not change his mind.
In fact way back in Gen 3:15, he had spoken of the seed to come.
It certainly could have been God's intention all along to forbid (Jews only) to eat unclean animals, and to remove that prohibition at just the right time. So if that isn't changing His mind, it is changing His requirements. So OK, let me reword my question:
Will God never again change His requirements of man?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
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