A Wrecked Church!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ILG

Here is another song that reminds me of the UPC that I am going to learn to sing and play. (I just got to song and play somewhere recently! Woohoo! Yeah, it wasn't in a church it was at a lakeside gathering. )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTTjLxXFg0k

P.S. There is one swear word in this song (that the Bible also uses).

Wow, here we go again bashing the Entire UPC

[Rapture 1]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

I did not know this. I was wrong! Sorry!

Originally Posted by StillStanding

I have to break my vow of silence to address this! (CC1 will be thrilled! )

I know for a fact that sons were calling and encouraging the disenfranchised saints of that church. They were powerless, and were hoping that a tentative preacher friend would come to head the transition to a new pastor. When that didn't happen, they were out of trump cards. Its as simple as that!

Place blame only on those who deserve blame!

Ok, I'm out!

You should keep enough trump cards if you are going to stay in the game!!!!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Rapture 1

At least you are 98% right, most of the time! The preacher (Bro DC from OB) that preached sunday at Grey Rd, didn't know what he was preaching about. He talked about the apostolic forum is nothing but gossip!! So who does he listen to? I know he dosn't listen to the women!! He thinks they talk to much! He read some rules after sunday school one day (and he dosn't even attend there), that the women were not allowed to gossip or have any meeting outside church!! WHAT?? Yes, that's right. Ask anyone there! I don't believe he respects women, esp older women. I don't know why he preached that kind of sermon to 20 people and some of them visitors!

Sheesh! I am also surprised that he would even mention the forum!

[AreYouReady?]

The real scandal is when folks who are not doing right, they don't like to be exposed. So they counter discussion by calling it gossip.

But oh no! They defame people who leave their church because they disagree with some rule or some way they have been shabbily treated. These pastors talk to other pastors about those people who are wanting to make a fresh start somewhere... and it is not called gossip. It is called ...what? Discussion? Reporting? Their opinion? But never it is called gossip when they blather on about somebody between themselves. I have no words for what comes out of their mouths that they try to destroy other people simply because they left their church.

[Rapture 1]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

The real scandal is when folks who are not doing right, they don't like to be exposed. So they counter discussion by calling it gossip.

But oh no! They defame people who leave their church because they disagree with some rule or some way they have been shabbily treated. These pastors talk to other pastors about those people who are wanting to make a fresh start somewhere... and it is not called gossip. It is called ...what? Discussion? Reporting? Their opinion? But never it is called gossip when they blather on about somebody between themselves. I have no words for what comes out of their mouths that they try to destroy other people simply because they left their church.

You are so RIGHT!!!!!

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

The real scandal is when folks who are not doing right, they don't like to be exposed. So they counter discussion by calling it gossip.

But oh no! They defame people who leave their church because they disagree with some rule or some way they have been shabbily treated. These pastors talk to other pastors about those people who are wanting to make a fresh start somewhere... and it is not called gossip. It is called ...what? Discussion? Reporting? Their opinion? But never it is called gossip when they blather on about somebody between themselves. I have no words for what comes out of their mouths that they try to destroy other people simply because they left their church.

Most, not all by any means but most, of the folks who jump churches for a "fresh start" are just carrying their problems from one church to another and they should be reported to the new Pastor. He ought to get a heads up of the mess coming his way. The answer to people's problems is to pray through and get their heart right, not switch churches. They don't need a new church and Pastor, most of the time they need to get their spirit right.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Most, not all by any means but most, of the folks who jump churches for a "fresh start" are just carrying their problems from one church to another and they should be reported to the new Pastor. He ought to get a heads up of the mess coming his way. The answer to people's problems is to pray through and get their heart right, not switch churches. They don't need a new church and Pastor, most of the time they need to get their spirit right.

I disagree!

You are incorrectly assuming that all the fault lies with people who want to switch churches and the pastor plays no part.

No my friend, this isn't always the case! To say "most" people who do this is faulty assumption. How do you or anybody else know that "a mess" is coming their way? Many times that "mess" originates with the pastor. But nooooo....he doesn't gossip. That is a crock of lies too. I know plenty of so-called leaders who lie so that they can keep their positions in the organized church system.

To support this notion is to support what is wrong with the organized church system today and is part of the brainwashing many partake in.

[Dordrecht]

I left a church once because they don't believe in the gifts of the spirit.
Is that "carrying my problem from one church to another church" ??

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Most, not all by any means but most, of the folks who jump churches for a "fresh start" are just carrying their problems from one church to another and they should be reported to the new Pastor. He ought to get a heads up of the mess coming his way. The answer to people's problems is to pray through and get their heart right, not switch churches. They don't need a new church and Pastor, most of the time they need to get their spirit right.

It's interesting to read different perspectives.

While I agree that there are folks that leave churches with a bad spirit, I believe it is a small minority. In my experience, almost all that have left a church was because of a doctrinal disagreement, perceived abuse of power by leadership, or personality conflict. In these situations, should they be allowed to find a church that might be a better fit for them? I think so! I can assure you that the pastor of the previous church (especially if he Lords over the congregation) thinks they are rebellious with a bad spirit.

In the situation of the church mentioned in his thread, these are people that had been faithful to the church for many years thru thick and thin. This is the cream of the crop! They are merely standing up to abuse and corruption. Anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand!

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I disagree!

You are incorrectly assuming that all the fault lies with people who want to switch churches and the pastor plays no part.

No my friend, this isn't always the case! To say "most" people who do this is faulty assumption. How do you or anybody else know that "a mess" is coming their way? Many times that "mess" originates with the pastor. But nooooo....he doesn't gossip. That is a crock of lies too. I know plenty of so-called leaders who lie so that they can keep their positions in the organized church system.

To support this notion is to support what is wrong with the organized church system today and is part of the brainwashing many partake in.

He said 'most, not all by any means, but most'....and after being in the church for over 50 years, I have to say, I agree with him...