Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by Max Cosme

Penn expresses that Quakers believe the water in John 3 is a metaphor for the Holy Spirit. A common evangelical view, even today. Not even close to a Water and Spirit view.

http://books.google.com/books?id=BDb...page&q&f=false

Wait what? "Water" in John 3 is a metaphor for the Holy Spirit?

So John 3 really means you must be born again of Holy Spirit and Spirit? Spirit and Spirit huh? Jesus told Nicodemus he had to be born again of the spirit and the spirit? Twice of the spirit?

Did this come form the Department of Redundancy Department?

Is being born again of the spirit once not enough? You have to do it twice or else you didn't do it right?

It seems to me that the much simpler explanation of JOhn 3 is exactly what OP have been preaching it as for years. Water and Spirit = water baptism and Holy Ghost infilling. Funny...that's exactly what we see happening in Acts as a demonstration of being born again.