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View Poll Results: Can God lie?
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:27 PM
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Uh, sorry, NOPE. You cannot compare a human to God;
or Christ. What would Christ have done, in Rahab's position?
He would not have lied (or been in that position, but nevermind).
The other stuff, doing something "illegal" because it is the right
thing to do, yes. But Word of God is being stretched way out of shape here.

And, I'm already smelling the trap,
but God cannot say something that is not true;
that would be A LIE. Rahab sinned in following the Spirit,
because she was not spiritually mature enough to see
the correct answer, and was forgiven for it.

So, whatcha got, T?
What is your twisted little mis-construction
of some Scripture you have discovered,
a way out of trusting God and Scripture,
this time? That you will just ignore any
cogent answer to?

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Old 08-29-2012, 09:32 PM
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Uh, sorry, NOPE. You cannot compare a human to God;
or Christ. What would Christ have done, in Rahab's position?
He would not have lied (or been in that position, but nevermind).
The other stuff, doing something "illegal" because it is the right
thing to do, yes. But Word of God is being stretched way out of shape here.

And, I'm already smelling the trap,
but God cannot say something that is not true;
that would be A LIE.

So, whatcha got, T?
What is your twisted little mis-construction
of some Scripture you have discovered,
a way out of trusting God and Scripture,
this time? That you will just ignore any
cogent answer to?
You have said you are not trying to make sense, and now you claim to have given "cogent answers". That doesn't make sense!
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:40 PM
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Re: Can God lie?

But here's an example, which we have covered before, and which has not be cogently answered.

God said Adam and Eve would die in the day they ate. They ate. They did not die. You had to add to the scripture to make it seem like God spoke the truth. You introduced the concept of spiritual death, and claimed that A&E died spiritually that day.

And you say I twist scripture.
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Is it true that you can ask anything in Jesus's name and it will be done for you?
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:48 PM
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But the real point of this poll is to be an analogy to your poll, asking if God can murder. If He can kill without violating His own law, why can't He say something that's not true without violating His own law?

By the way, why don't you tell AFF what you said on The 316: if God would lie, then ____________. You remember what you said, don't you?
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Uh, sorry, NOPE. You cannot compare a human to God;
or Christ. What would Christ have done, in Rahab's position?
He would not have lied (or been in that position, but nevermind).
I am not comparing a human to God. Christ, by the way, IS A HUMAN.


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The other stuff, doing something "illegal" because it is the right
thing to do, yes. But Word of God is being stretched way out of shape here.
*I* haven't stretched anything. I simply pointed out that Rahab lied and committed treason, and yet according to the Bible she did it all by faith and was blessed by God for her actions.

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And, I'm already smelling the trap,
but God cannot say something that is not true;
that would be A LIE.
So he sends ' a lying spirit' instead.

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Rahab sinned in following the Spirit,
because she was not spiritually mature enough to see
the correct answer, and was forgiven for it.
Balderdash. Next?

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So, whatcha got, T?
What is your twisted little mis-construction
of some Scripture you have discovered,
a way out of trusting God and Scripture,
this time? That you will just ignore any
cogent answer to?
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But the real point of this poll is to be an analogy to your poll, asking if God can murder. If He can kill without violating His own law, why can't He say something that's not true without violating His own law?
Murder is the unlawful taking of human life. Not all killing is murder, obviously. God kills. But He does not do so unlawfully. So God does not murder. Again, we are talking about moral choices, actions of free will agents... therefore 'can' has to be kept in that context. (Like my earlier post mentioned).

What about lying? The commandment is to 'not bear false witness against thy neighbor.' It is not a blanket forbidding of ANY and ALL speaking that which is not true. However, I do not expect God to lie because it is so far removed from His character. He does not, in fact, LIE.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:15 AM
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But here's an example, which we have covered before, and which has not be cogently answered.

God said Adam and Eve would die in the day they ate. They ate. They did not die. You had to add to the scripture to make it seem like God spoke the truth. You introduced the concept of spiritual death, and claimed that A&E died spiritually that day.

And you say I twist scripture.

This is ridiculous, Timmy.

The whole point of a spiritual walk is a spiritual life. Scripture is not meant to make sense to you in the temporal, and so it does not make sense to you. Give up trying to make sense of Scripture, in your present state. It is not meant for you. It reveals you, just as It does everyone else, and unfortunately for you the description in your case precludes the insurmountable advantage of access to Scripture.

So, you are really just wasting your time,
and ours, by this constantattackfrom
everyangle, relentlesslybeatingyour head
against a completelyunyieldingFoundation,
which you'll notice most everyone stays
a mile away from.

The only way you can really comment on Scripture
is when you regain access to Scripture,
and all of your comments until then,
and forever after, are going to not only reflect,
but be compared to this.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:19 AM
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Re: Can God lie?

It is a sin for Rahab to lie, E;
thus Rahab sinned, when she lied.
It really is just that simple.
Christ would not have lied in her place.

"What about lying? The commandment is to 'not bear false witness against thy neighbor.' It is not a blanket forbidding of ANY and ALL speaking that which is not true."

Strikes me as a prevarication,
but I have heard that interpretation,
might be justifiable.

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Old 08-30-2012, 08:07 AM
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You have said you are not trying to make sense, and now you claim to have given "cogent answers". That doesn't make sense!
ha touche'. My meaning was that you cannot find God with your mind, there.
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