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Originally Posted by UltimateUltraConservative
My view is that if it's the pastor "raking," I'll use my pastor for an example: he would only do "raking" for that if he sincerely felt that pants, whether or not they were practical, is wrong, and he completely adheres to that belief.
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He can only speak for himself...he does not have the right to rake anybody else over the coals for his belief. Why should he force his belief on others?
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Originally Posted by UltimateUltraConservative
He ultimately has to answer for that...he has a church he is trying his best to present to God without spot or wrinkle.
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Hmmmm...
No he doesn't.
Christ presents HIS church to God without spot or wrinkle. We are all required to obey Christ and His commandments. Christ never made one disciple head over another. In fact, He told his disciples that the gentiles love to have kings lord over them. Let it not be so among you. Read
Mark 10:35-45 and
Matthew 20:20-48.
The pastor does not get a saint into heaven. It is the blood of Christ and His righteousness that redeems a saint. If a pastor wants to please the Lord, then he will pattern himself after Peter, of whom the Lord told to "feed my sheep". Not lord over my sheep.
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Originally Posted by UltimateUltraConservative
Women in the old days (what I'm thinking of is Laura Ingalls Wilder-types) used to do all kinds of work in skirts, they were just fuller and longer. The trend we see today has them showing off more of their bodies, whether it's a shorter skirt, tighter skirt, tighter pants, low-rider pants. I personally don't wear pants and have a hard time understanding where pants would be absolutely necessary over a skirt.
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If all women worked at home then pants would not be necessary.
Some of us had to work whatever job we could find to feed ourselves and family. I dare say that many women today do not know what it is to physically work hard laboring for money to pay the bills...and I am not just talking about putting a burger and fries in a bag and shove it out the drive-through window.
Laura Ingalls day? We don't live in that day anymore. But women today, (like you earlier talked about culture changes and we must change with it) work in manufacturing jobs, police work, hospitals, mechanical, plumbing etc. Long flowing skirts get caught in machinery and can pull a person into machinery. Who would work the beat in police work in a skirt? People do not care if they beat up a woman in which a handful of skirt to grab to drag her into the grasp of criminals would be quite handy. So yes, there are many reason why working in a skirt is impractical, even though you or many other pentecostal women cannot see it.
But then many of the pastor's wives
I've seen in 30 years do not have to put their nose to the grinding rock 40 hours a week and come home to care for their children and house chores. Not saying there are not any who do not work, but just saying none that I've seen in 30 years.
And...I've not seen a pastor yet who refused the tithes a female worker pays to him.
Wearing dresses only does not ensure modesty. I can remember not too long ago when my husband and I were sitting in a restaurant. He wanted to get out of there fairly quick because there was a young lady getting her kicks out of opening her legs at the table displaying her genitals to the men. She was not wearing underwear. It's an old trick I've seen throughout my years. Even long skirts are hiked up high enough for this to be done.
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