Be Libertarian with me:

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Third parties, ALWAYS, cause the opposite effect in elections than they claim to desire. The net result of third parties history is: They help to elect the worse candidates to high office and the country is damaged. They ruin the careers of these candidates themselves!!!
Start with Teddy Roosevelt, completely ruined his credibility, and elected his arch enemy to office. Then more recently we have Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader, who all help elect leftist presidents, senators and Representatives, that have damaged the country. The ever heard of Howard Phillips??? Bright political up and comer, third party run destroyed his career.
Third party, seems like a good thing on principle, but in reality it has NEVER proved to accomplish the goals of those principles.
Much better to work in the grassroots leadership in primaries where is in not so difficult to get good desirable candidates, the Tea Party should not be weary in well doing and continue, it is a marathon, not a dash!!!!

In my mind third parties are designed to do two things. First, give more principled voters a candidate that truly represents their views. Second, to punish the "would be's" of their philosophy. For example, Republicans have become very statist and anti-America when it comes to domestic policy, jobs, and civil rights. Why should they be elected when they are supposed to represent personal liberty and business here at home??? If voting Libertarian brings a Republican defeat... maybe they should re-assess their policies.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Great points.
I can go along with all of them except the Federal Reserve.
Still undecided on that issue.
And I have done extensive research.

Ya, then why can't we audit them?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Third parties, ALWAYS, cause the opposite effect in elections than they claim to desire. The net result of third parties history is: They help to elect the worse candidates to high office and the country is damaged. They ruin the careers of these candidates themselves!!!
Start with Teddy Roosevelt, completely ruined his credibility, and elected his arch enemy to office. Then more recently we have Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader, who all help elect leftist presidents, senators and Representatives, that have damaged the country. The ever heard of Howard Phillips??? Bright political up and comer, third party run destroyed his career.
Third party, seems like a good thing on principle, but in reality it has NEVER proved to accomplish the goals of those principles.
Much better to work in the grassroots leadership in primaries where is in not so difficult to get good desirable candidates, the Tea Party should not be weary in well doing and continue, it is a marathon, not a dash!!!!

Club for Growth issues Tea Party purity scorecard on freshmen

"What we found was that while some freshmen have lived up to the promises they made to the tea party movement, dozens of them are big-spenders and are no different from many of the veteran Republicans they serve with," it states. "In many cases, the rhetoric of the so-called 'Tea Party' freshmen simply didn’t match their records."

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...rd-on-freshmen

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

In my mind third parties are designed to do two things. First, give more principled voters a candidate that truly represents their views. Second, to punish the "would be's" of their philosophy. For example, Republicans have become very statist and anti-America when it comes to domestic policy, jobs, and civil rights. Why should they be elected when they are supposed to represent personal liberty and business here at home??? If voting Libertarian brings a Republican defeat... maybe they should re-assess their policies.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Club for Growth issues Tea Party purity scorecard on freshmen

"What we found was that while some freshmen have lived up to the promises they made to the tea party movement, dozens of them are big-spenders and are no different from many of the veteran Republicans they serve with," it states. "In many cases, the rhetoric of the so-called 'Tea Party' freshmen simply didn’t match their records."

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...rd-on-freshmen

That's because the facts are, it is very hard to work across grain with Washington. The Tea Party should keep sending newbies until they reach critical mass, in other words, keep throwing the bums out, until there is change. It is very hard work, and few have the strength to persevere.

Third parties have a proven record, they don't work. We need relief from the very current evils in the administration, give me the lesser of evils, if you will, so we can continue to try to change the culture. The financial pain coming to correct the incompetence of the past will change the culture to be willing to "throw em out"! Pray and believe that God will grant us wisdom and direction, to recover from our national sins, and again offer the world hope.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Aquila

In my mind third parties are designed to do two things. First, give more principled voters a candidate that truly represents their views. Second, to punish the "would be's" of their philosophy. For example, Republicans have become very statist and anti-America when it comes to domestic policy, jobs, and civil rights. Why should they be elected when they are supposed to represent personal liberty and business here at home??? If voting Libertarian brings a Republican defeat... maybe they should re-assess their policies.

While your post sounds principled, it really is ignorance. History proves that it doesn't work. In the meantime the country is damaged at a faster rate, gives less time for correction, our standing in the world as a firewall against tyrants is damaged, we are becoming more and more in financial bondage to China.

Many voted for Obama because of Bush, and because McCain is a Rhino, please, HOW HAS THAT WORKED OUT FOR THE NATION??? Romney has the business experience to help, and he has family values, he is likely the most committed to a conservative faith than any president in recent history. I will vote for a man that shares my values, though not my doctrines, over a "Christian" that shares little to none of my values everytime. And always over a third party loser that has not possibility of really accomplishing anything.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by crakjak

That's because the facts are, it is very hard to work across grain with Washington. The Tea Party should keep sending newbies until they reach critical mass, in other words, keep throwing the bums out, until there is change. It is very hard work, and few have the strength to persevere.

Third parties have a proven record, they don't work. We need relief from the very current evils in the administration, give me the lesser of evils, if you will, so we can continue to try to change the culture. The financial pain coming to correct the incompetence of the past will change the culture to be willing to "throw em out"! Pray and believe that God will grant us wisdom and direction, to recover from our national sins, and again offer the world hope.

In Texas you don't officially register to a particular party. They just keep track that you don't vote twice - I am not bound to a party.

And I can tell you, even though many are glad that Romney is the nominee, I will never support what they did at Convention. When I replay, "The ayes have it", that's all she wrote for me. If they had followed the rules throughout the primaries and Convention, I wouldn't feel the way I do today. I didn't leave the Republican Party, they left me.

I will vote for any person who upholds our Constitution and no one else. I will vote for who aligns with my values and principles and not because everyone else tells me I need to vote for a particular candidate.

I still agree with a comment I heard, "The Republicans are so tired of this election they will take moderate Mitt."

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

In Texas you don't officially register to a particular party. They just keep track that you don't vote twice - I am not bound to a party.

And I can tell you, even though many are glad that Romney is the nominee, I will never support what they did at Convention. When I replay, "The ayes have it", that's all she wrote for me. If they had followed the rules throughout the primaries and Convention, I wouldn't feel the way I do today. I didn't leave the Republican Party, they left me.

I will vote for any person who upholds our Constitution and no one else. I will vote for who aligns with my values and principles and not because everyone else tells me I need to vote for a particular candidate.

I still agree with a comment I heard, "The Republicans are so tired of this election they will take moderate Mitt."

Your party is recorded as to which primary that you vote in.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by crakjak

While your post sounds principled, it really is ignorance. History proves that it doesn't work. In the meantime the country is damaged at a faster rate, gives less time for correction, our standing in the world as a firewall against tyrants is damaged, we are becoming more and more in financial bondage to China.

Many voted for Obama because of Bush, and because McCain is a Rhino, please, HOW HAS THAT WORKED OUT FOR THE NATION??? Romney has the business experience to help, and he has family values, he is likely the most committed to a conservative faith than any president in recent history. I will vote for a man that shares my values, though not my doctrines, over a "Christian" that shares little to none of my values everytime. And always over a third party loser that has not possibility of really accomplishing anything.

So who would you vote for out of the following???

Caligula (Republican)
Nero (Democrat)
George Washington (Libertarian)

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So who would you vote for out of the following???

Caligula (Republican)
Nero (Democrat)
George Washington (Libertarian)

Not GW, because he was a warmonger, and built a big whiskey business after leaving office!!! LOL