Kids Getting a dose of the Ghost!

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

It has been a long time since I seen a YouTube video of anything that you could see tears running down faces, and God truly moving in their midst. Thank you for sharing that NavyGoat. It is a gift from God to move on the hearts of these young children. I just pray that they will be discipled from this time forth. Too many times, I have seen it... saints think... whew... they got the HG and move on to the next one... and forget that these little ones need to be discipled too, and taught principles of discipleship of Christ. They think... well, I've got the HG, and now, forever my salvation is sealed, and many never come back to speaking in tongues again after the first initial experience.

My hope and prayer is that these children, and all who first receive the baptism of the HG are made aware that it is just the beginning of a wonderful journey with Christ.... We need more true disciples of Christ than just "speakers in tongues". It is the power Christ has enabled us to continue to carry out our journey here on earth as witnesses and His disciples. There is much more to living as a disciple of Christ than just speaking in tongues.

But it was just wonderful to see the heartfelt emotion, and joy on the faces of those little children!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sam

We all know that can't be the REAL Holy Ghost.
Must be some kind of false spirit because:
the girl has on a bifurcated garment
the preacher is CoG and therefor preaches three gods
the preacher has spiked hair
some women in the crowd have trimmed or cut hair and jewelry
our God would not associate with those kind of folks
etc.
etc.

regarding my post which is quoted above:
I was not dismissing or minimizing the experiences of the people in the video. Tommy Bates pastors a church in Kentucky, maybe an hour from where I live. I have never been there and probably never will. He is an "older style" Pentecostal in some ways and a "modern style" Charismatic in other ways. This is not a criticism of him. He proudly traces his roots to the move of the Holy Ghost in Kentucky which happened around the same time He was moving in Tennessee/North Carolina/Georgia which resulted in the current Church of God (Cleveland, TN); in India at Pandita Ramabai's school; in Russia and Armenia; and at Azusa Street. This was in the late 1800's and early 1900's and is, in my opinion, the latter rain outpouring of the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit was moving in these areas, it is my understanding that when news of what was happening at Azusa Street in California, one man went to California by horseback to check it out. He was so amazed at what was happening there he rode back to Kentucky as quickly as he could with minimal stops along the way. When he arrived back home they had to pry his feet from the stirrups to get him off his horse because he had ridden so long and so intently. He was overjoyed at what he had seen in California and announced some thing like, "Folks, they've got the same thing out in California that we have here." That message of the Holy Ghost Baptism spread from Kentucky up through Ohio and Michigan. Today there are many assemblies in Hamilton, OH who use the term "Church of God" in their names that are a result of that move of the Holy Spirit over a century ago in Kentucky.

What I was doing in my post was being sarcastic of the attitude that we (and I include myself in this) Apostolics have exhibited in the past toward others who have enjoyed the blessings and gifts of the Holy Spirit. During the "Latter Rain" Movement in the late 1940's and early 50's; and during the "Healing Movement" (William Branham, Jack Moore, Gordon Lindsey, A.A. Allen, Jack Coe, Oral Roberts, etc) and FGBMFI around that same time; and during the Jesus People Movement and the Charismatic movement of the 1960's; and of the "Third Wave" which has been going on for some time, we dismissed those people and those blessings as though they were not of God.

All around us were people from various denominations receiving the Holy Ghost Baptism and seeing the gifts of the Spirit in operation. These folks did not believe like we did. They were -gasp- trinitarians. They did not look like we did. Some wore clergy collars. Some were nuns in their habits, some had beards and long hair and wore sandals. Some wore jewelry and makeup. Some women wore "pantsuits" and had did not have "uncut" hair. Some met outside and some in coffee houses and halls and even bars, and others met in church basements, but they did not leave their churches and come join us. They did not come to us and get baptized. We thought we had an exclusive franchise on the Holy Spirit.

All of a sudden, God was moving among people and they did not come to us for us to dispense/distribute Him. What could we do? Some of us dismissed the whole thing as fake, not the REAL Holy Ghost, wildfire, etc. Some of us realized that God did not really pay much attention to our organizations and our petty little doctrinal squabbles, and our exclusive self righteous attitude toward anyone who did not see everything the way we did. We had to swallow our pride and admit that God was indeed pouring out His Spirit upon all flesh as He had promised long ago. We could go into a "bunker mentality" and hunker down and rave and condemn and shoot at anything and anyone who was different and try to remain "exclusive" or we could acknowledge that the House of God was larger than the little room we had been hiding in while we sniped at anyone and anything that didn't conform to us.

Oh, well, that's enough of a rant for now.

[KeptByTheWord]

I liked your "rant"

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Sam

We all know that can't be the REAL Holy Ghost.
Must be some kind of false spirit because:
the girl has on a bifurcated garment
the preacher is CoG and therefor preaches three gods
the preacher has spiked hair
some women in the crowd have trimmed or cut hair and jewelry
our God would not associate with those kind of folks
etc.
etc.

I got the Holy Ghost at a Full Gospel church. I got it by faith just like everyone else. I still needed the baptism. Which I got a lil later.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

I got the Holy Ghost at a Full Gospel church. I got it by faith just like everyone else. I still needed the baptism. Which I got a lil later.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Sam

regarding my post which is quoted above:
I was not dismissing or minimizing the experiences of the people in the video. Tommy Bates pastors a church in Kentucky, maybe an hour from where I live. I have never been there and probably never will. He is an "older style" Pentecostal in some ways and a "modern style" Charismatic in other ways. This is not a criticism of him. He proudly traces his roots to the move of the Holy Ghost in Kentucky which happened around the same time He was moving in Tennessee/North Carolina/Georgia which resulted in the current Church of God (Cleveland, TN); in India at Pandita Ramabai's school; in Russia and Armenia; and at Azusa Street. This was in the late 1800's and early 1900's and is, in my opinion, the latter rain outpouring of the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit was moving in these areas, it is my understanding that when news of what was happening at Azusa Street in California, one man went to California by horseback to check it out. He was so amazed at what was happening there he rode back to Kentucky as quickly as he could with minimal stops along the way. When he arrived back home they had to pry his feet from the stirrups to get him off his horse because he had ridden so long and so intently. He was overjoyed at what he had seen in California and announced some thing like, "Folks, they've got the same thing out in California that we have here." That message of the Holy Ghost Baptism spread from Kentucky up through Ohio and Michigan. Today there are many assemblies in Hamilton, OH who use the term "Church of God" in their names that are a result of that move of the Holy Spirit over a century ago in Kentucky.

What I was doing in my post was being sarcastic of the attitude that we (and I include myself in this) Apostolics have exhibited in the past toward others who have enjoyed the blessings and gifts of the Holy Spirit. During the "Latter Rain" Movement in the late 1940's and early 50's; and during the "Healing Movement" (William Branham, Jack Moore, Gordon Lindsey, A.A. Allen, Jack Coe, Oral Roberts, etc) and FGBMFI around that same time; and during the Jesus People Movement and the Charismatic movement of the 1960's; and of the "Third Wave" which has been going on for some time, we dismissed those people and those blessings as though they were not of God.

All around us were people from various denominations receiving the Holy Ghost Baptism and seeing the gifts of the Spirit in operation. These folks did not believe like we did. They were -gasp- trinitarians. They did not look like we did. Some wore clergy collars. Some were nuns in their habits, some had beards and long hair and wore sandals. Some wore jewelry and makeup. Some women wore "pantsuits" and had did not have "uncut" hair. Some met outside and some in coffee houses and halls and even bars, and others met in church basements, but they did not leave their churches and come join us. They did not come to us and get baptized. We thought we had an exclusive franchise on the Holy Spirit.

All of a sudden, God was moving among people and they did not come to us for us to dispense/distribute Him. What could we do? Some of us dismissed the whole thing as fake, not the REAL Holy Ghost, wildfire, etc. Some of us realized that God did not really pay much attention to our organizations and our petty little doctrinal squabbles, and our exclusive self righteous attitude toward anyone who did not see everything the way we did. We had to swallow our pride and admit that God was indeed pouring out His Spirit upon all flesh as He had promised long ago. We could go into a "bunker mentality" and hunker down and rave and condemn and shoot at anything and anyone who was different and try to remain "exclusive" or we could acknowledge that the House of God was larger than the little room we had been hiding in while we sniped at anyone and anything that didn't conform to us.

Oh, well, that's enough of a rant for now.

Yes there is some ignorance in the Apostolic movement, and yes it makes me cringe when I hear people use the term "their tongues", "fake tongues", and such in reference to trinitarian Pentecostals. And I'm a staunch three-stepper. I just don't believe the Holy Ghost is limited to a specific church or organization. My cousin was raised trinitarian all her life, and two years after receiving the Holy Ghost at a charismatic church God revealed the baptism in Jesus Name to her through prayer and she was water baptized in Jesus Name. All oneness organizations were started by trinitarians who received the Holy Ghost THEN had the revelation of the baptism in his name. That should tell us something...

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

I forgot... opposing views aren't welcome here.. my bad.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

I forgot... opposing views aren't welcome here.. my bad.

Sure they are, I just don't have to agree.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Sure they are, I just don't have to agree.

Never asked you to agree, but there's bad attitudes both ways. It's not just us evil Apostolics who have bad attitudes in this and no trinitarians are not always the victim of dogmatic thinking.

I never limit the Holy Ghost to the Apostolic church. I've seen God throughout the Pentecostal movement at a large and amongst the charismatics. I love seeing people get filled with the Holy Ghost, it makes my soul jump for joy, no matter what church... I just don't believe everyone who gets the holy ghost (and everyone who is baptized in Jesus Name for that matter) will ultimately be saved. But those who follow God's word and endure until the end.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Never asked you to agree, but there's bad attitudes both ways. It's not just us evil Apostolics who have bad attitudes in this and no trinitarians are not always the victim of dogmatic thinking.

I never limit the Holy Ghost to the Apostolic church. I've seen God throughout the Pentecostal movement at a large and amongst the charismatics. I love seeing people get filled with the Holy Ghost, it makes my soul jump for joy, no matter what church... I just don't believe everyone who gets the holy ghost (and everyone who is baptized in Jesus Name for that matter) will ultimately be saved. But those who follow God's word and endure until the end.

Bro there are such bad attitudes on both sides. My issue in and out of Oneness is the arrogance displayed about the "revelation" of the Godhead or Acts 2:38 new birth. I have to be honest I found the churches that I attended were short on teaching about the deeper things of God. If I could take it a little further some of the best teaching I have ever received was from a Charismatic church and also an Assembly of God church in California.

These brothers put feet to their faith and did so much for the community because they understand just like Moses could not stay at the burning bush because he came into the presence of God and with the presence of God comes purpose.

Why are Trinitarians doing the most good for example Teen Challenge, Los Angles Dream Center and Convoy of Hope to name just a few. Can they really hear from God without the "revelation"? Oneness claim have so much revelation about God????? I just don't see it!