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Old 11-10-2012, 11:08 PM
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The Marriage Contract

Everybody gets all up in arms over the proposed homosexual marriage agenda.
If they really knew what getting a marriage license in our country meant, perhaps they would rethink their stance?

I knew that the state had a different view of marriage than we the people did. I just did not know how that view was defined. Most of us view marriage as a union between a man and a woman before God.

Uhhh...the state does not view it as such.

The author of this article wrote that a certain man met one afternoon with the head of the Maricopa County Superior Court, Marriage License Bureau, in downtown Phoenix to ask explanation of the marriage laws. His wife was filing for divorce and he was preparing a counterclaim to the Petition for Dissolution her attorney filed in Domestic Relations (DR) court.
What he found was what would be astonishing to most of us. I even think that most pastors who join together a man and a woman in holy matrimony don't even know how the state views marriage...just why people must get a marriage license and the preacher sign it.

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...the marriage license is Secular Contract between the parties and the State.

The State is the principal party in that Secular Contract. The husband and wife are secondary or inferior parties. The Secular Contract is a three-way contract between the State, as Principal, and the husband and wife as the other two legs of the Contract.

He said, in the traditional sense a marriage is a covenant between the husband and wife and God. But in the Secular Contract with the state, reference to God is a "dotted line," and not officially considered included in the Secular Contract at all. He said, if the husband and wife wish to include God as a party in their marriage, that is a "dotted line" they will have to add in their own minds. The state's marriage license is "strictly secular," he said.

He said further, that what he meant by the relationship to God being a "dotted line" meant that the State regards any mention of God as irrelevant, even meaningless.

In his description of the marriage license contract, he related one other "dotted line."

He said in the traditional religious context, marriage was a covenant between the husband and wife and God with husband and wife joined as one. This is not the case in the secular realm of the state's marriage license contract. The State is the Principal or dominant party. The husband and wife are merely contractually "joined" as business partners, not in any religious union. They may even be considered, he said, connected to each other by another "dotted line."

The picture he was trying to paint was that of a triangle with the State at the top and a solid line extending from the apex, the State, down the left side to the husband, and a separate solid line extending down the right side to the wife, a dotted line merely showing that they consider themselves to have entered into a religious union of some sort that is irrrelevant to the State.

He further mentioned that this religious overtone is recognized by the State by requiring that the marriage must be solemnized either by a state official or by a minister of religion that has been deputized by the State to perform the marriage ceremony and make a return of the signed and executed marriage license to the State.

Again, he emphasized that marriage is a strictily secular relationship so far as the State is concerned and because it is looked upon as a "privileged business enterprise," various tax advantages and other political privileges have become attached to the marriage license contract that have nothing at all to do with marriage as a religious covenant or bond between God and a man and a woman.


http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/secularmarriage.shtml


So....in this context...although most of us do not agree with legalizing gay marriage...in the state's point of view, it has no religious connotations...but a contractual relationship between the three entities.

Since Romney was the first to sign gay marriage into law in Massachusetts and several more states since jumped on that bandwagon, I foresee that this entire country will end up having to recognize gay marriage just as all the states recognize heterosexual marriages from other states.

Just so you know...and be getting ready for it because I predict that the Supreme Court will someday rule gay marriage to be law of the land since they view marriage as a contract. It will probably happen whether we had Romney as president or Obama as president.


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28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
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Moving on...

According to the state, any children you have born in regards to your marriage union belongs to them and not to God or to you and your husband.

<snippet>He emphasized that this contractual consideration by the bride and groom places them in a definite and defined- by-law position inferior and subject to the State. He commented that very few people realize this.

He also said that it is very important to understand that children born to the marriage are considered by law as "the contract bearing fruit" -- meaning the children primarily belong to the State, even though the law never comes out and says so in so many words.

In this regard, children born to the contract regarded as "the contract bearing fruit," he said it is vitally important for parents to understand two doctrines that became established in the United States during the 1930s. The first is the Doctrine of Parens Patriae. The second is the Doctrine of In Loco Parentis. Parens Patriae means literally "the parent of the country" or to state it more bluntly -- the State is the undisclosed true parent.

Along this line, a 1930s Arizona Supreme Court case states that parents have no property right in their children, and have custody of their children during good behavior at the sufferance of the State. This means that parents may raise their children and maintain custody of their children as long as they don't offend the State, but if they in some manner displease the State, the State can step in at any time and exercise its superior status and take custody and control of its children -- the parents are only conditional caretakers.<end of snippet>

Just for informational purposes, how many licensed ministers out there know of this? When you received your license to minister, was this fully explained to you that you are an agent of the state?
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So, the state owns my children? Then the state owes me a ton of money! Food, clothing, video games, college.... I'll send it a bill.
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Good luck with that Timmy. You are also owned by the state so who pays for your up bringing?
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Good luck with that Timmy. You are also owned by the state so who pays for your up bringing?
That's a great point! I'll let my folks know. They'll be thrilled!
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Let the churches be in charge of marriage. Those that will marry gays....whatever......those that won't will be the conservative churches....
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So, the state owns my children? Then the state owes me a ton of money! Food, clothing, video games, college.... I'll send it a bill.
No, no no!! You don't get it. You only get the responsibilities of parenting...if you're a good person.
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Well it makes sense, because we all are citizens of the state when we are born. So if a parent(s) is doing something inappropriate in raising their children the state steps in and access if you should continue to be a caretaker for its "citizen" and if you're not, they take the child away. Its just a way to give every citizen some form of rights and protection.

And if its trying to hold on to the notion of separation of church and state it have to be worded that way.

Me, personally, I care not at all about government allowing gay marriage, its not like its all of a sudden become legal in God's eyes, which is what matters. And on top of that the government already have a mountain of abominations to God, that are in no way illegal according to the government. Is adding gay marriage to the list really gonna matter? A little leaven leavens the whole lump, well we already have enough leaven so that lump is pretty high already.
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Let the churches be in charge of marriage. Those that will marry gays....whatever......those that won't will be the conservative churches....
I think that the part that is telling is that the man and wife is inferior in this 3-way contract. Even if they divorce, it does not nullify that contract, they only 'amend' that contract that is between the government, a man and his wife.

So...what might happen if the children are raised christian and the parents fall out of favor with the state if the state decides to restrict Christian teachings in the home?
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