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Old 11-26-2012, 01:06 PM
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Re: When You Got Saved in a Baptist Church ...

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Originally Posted by Esaias View Post
Thus proving a person's 'belief in Christ' may be defective, if it doesn't result in receiving the holy Spirit.

WHICH MEANS that Paul's viewpoint was 'let's verify you are a Christian by whether or not you received the Holy Spirit' as opposed to the common 'evangelical Protestant' paradigm of 'let's verify you have the Holy Spirit by whether or not you are a Christian'.

Subtle, perhaps, but an IMPORTANT difference.
I think you are stretching that scripture beyond what it says. Paul was not trying to "verify if they were Christians." It was a simple question, have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed the gospel?

Let's look at the immediate context of Paul's journey before getting to Acts 19

Acts 18
18 Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sisters and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila. Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchreae because of a vow he had taken. 19 They arrived at Ephesus, where Paul left Priscilla and Aquila. He himself went into the synagogue and reasoned with the Jews. 20 When they asked him to spend more time with them, he declined. 21 But as he left, he promised, “I will come back if it is God’s will.” Then he set sail from Ephesus. 22 When he landed at Caesarea, he went up to Jerusalem and greeted the church and then went down to Antioch.
23 After spending some time in Antioch, Paul set out from there and traveled from place to place throughout the region of Galatia and Phrygia, strengthening all the disciples.

Acts 19
1 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[a] you believed?”

If we read the whole passage in context, we get:
1. Paul set out for Ephesus
2. Paul was going about STRENTHGENING the disciples
3. Paul met some disciples in Ephesus
4. Paul asked these group of disciples if they had received the Holy Spirit after believing the gospel?

The same Paul who said Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved is the one who asked if they had received the Holy Ghost after believing?
This shows to me that receiving the Holy Ghost baptism is POST SALVATION.

My thoughts anyhow...
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