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Old 12-15-2012, 10:25 AM
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Re: School Shooting in CT

Dord, and others...

I was thinking about all this this last night. The world has always been a cruel evil place, ever since Adam and Eve messed up in the garden. Their one son, murdered their other son. Horrible, evil, terrible, incredibly sick and despicable things have taken place all down through the corridors of time.

People offering up their children as sacrifices, making their babies and children walk through fire.

Look at Sodom and Gomorrah and the terrible sick things that went on there.

Think of the hundreds of thousands of women, children and men who died at the hands an advancing army on their villages, and towns all throughout history.

Think of the people mentioned in Hebrews 12 who were cut asunder, burnt, and tortured beyond measure.

Think of the people who Nero slaughtered by the thousands.... think of our own Christ who was murdered by the very people He came to save...

Think of the Inquisition, and the Crusades, and the martyrs in Fox's Book of Martyr's ....

Think of the civil wars in nations around the world where thousands of people have died at the hands of madmen ....

Think of Hitler and his madness and the millions of Jews who died at his hands...

Think of Stalin, Mau and other Communist regime leaders who have murdered millions ....

I think you get my point.... I am not trying to undermine the travesty and the terrible tragedy of the situation that happened yesterday... but I want to speak to the mindset that we are somehow in a worse place today than the world has ever been in ... I don't know about that....

I see that evil has always played a role all throughout the pages of the world's history as we know it....

And we wonder... when will it stop? We only know that someday every knee will bow and every knee will confess.... will it be in our lifetime? Only God knows the answer... but the world has always been evil... and our darkness today is no different than the darkness that prevailed throughout the pages of our history books.

The only answer to the darkness we see around us, and in the hearts and lives of people is Christ. But they don't want to hear that.

It was amazing to me to hear the President, the mayor of the town of Newton, and other people calling out and asking people to pray for the victims, and their families... yet, we are not allowed to pray in the very schools BEFORE this tragedy took place, but after the terrible damage has been done, it is time to pray?

Where is their logic, and their reasoning in this? There is none. Let's pray after the damage has been done, but whatever we do, we cannot allow prayer or God in the schools, but as soon as a tragedy occurs, everyone is praying ? I'm scratching my head over this madness.

Does anyone else see the ridiculous in this?
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:50 AM
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You are absolutely right.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:44 AM
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Dord, and others...

I was thinking about all this this last night. The world has always been a cruel evil place, ever since Adam and Eve messed up in the garden. Their one son, murdered their other son. Horrible, evil, terrible, incredibly sick and despicable things have taken place all down through the corridors of time.

People offering up their children as sacrifices, making their babies and children walk through fire.

Look at Sodom and Gomorrah and the terrible sick things that went on there.

Think of the hundreds of thousands of women, children and men who died at the hands an advancing army on their villages, and towns all throughout history.

Think of the people mentioned in Hebrews 12 who were cut asunder, burnt, and tortured beyond measure.

Think of the people who Nero slaughtered by the thousands.... think of our own Christ who was murdered by the very people He came to save...

Think of the Inquisition, and the Crusades, and the martyrs in Fox's Book of Martyr's ....

Think of the civil wars in nations around the world where thousands of people have died at the hands of madmen ....

Think of Hitler and his madness and the millions of Jews who died at his hands...

Think of Stalin, Mau and other Communist regime leaders who have murdered millions ....

I think you get my point.... I am not trying to undermine the travesty and the terrible tragedy of the situation that happened yesterday... but I want to speak to the mindset that we are somehow in a worse place today than the world has ever been in ... I don't know about that....

I see that evil has always played a role all throughout the pages of the world's history as we know it....

And we wonder... when will it stop? We only know that someday every knee will bow and every knee will confess.... will it be in our lifetime? Only God knows the answer... but the world has always been evil... and our darkness today is no different than the darkness that prevailed throughout the pages of our history books.

The only answer to the darkness we see around us, and in the hearts and lives of people is Christ. But they don't want to hear that.

It was amazing to me to hear the President, the mayor of the town of Newton, and other people calling out and asking people to pray for the victims, and their families... yet, we are not allowed to pray in the very schools BEFORE this tragedy took place, but after the terrible damage has been done, it is time to pray?

Where is their logic, and their reasoning in this? There is none. Let's pray after the damage has been done, but whatever we do, we cannot allow prayer or God in the schools, but as soon as a tragedy occurs, everyone is praying ? I'm scratching my head over this madness.

Does anyone else see the ridiculous in this?
Yes. Right here: nobody is forbidden to pray in school. Secondly, what do you think would have happened if there was prayer in that school that day? (There was, I'm sure, by the way. But you don't seem to think there was, so we'll go with that.)
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Yes. Right here: nobody is forbidden to pray in school. Secondly, what do you think would have happened if there was prayer in that school that day? (There was, I'm sure, but the way. But you don't seem to think there was, so we'll go with that.)
Stupid post, Timmy
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Why? Do you actually think this tragedy would not have happened if kids had prayed?
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:58 AM
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Why? Do you actually think this tragedy would not have happened if kids had prayed?
And do you also think that prayer is forbidden in schools?
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You did not get it.

Relax, take a deep breath and read it again and think about it:
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The only answer to the darkness we see around us, and in the hearts and lives of people is Christ. But they don't want to hear that.

It was amazing to me to hear the President, the mayor of the town of Newton, and other people calling out and asking people to pray for the victims, and their families... yet, we are not allowed to pray in the very schools BEFORE this tragedy took place, but after the terrible damage has been done, it is time to pray?

Where is their logic, and their reasoning in this? There is none. Let's pray after the damage has been done, but whatever we do, we cannot allow prayer or God in the schools, but as soon as a tragedy occurs, everyone is praying ? I'm scratching my head over this madness.

Does anyone else see the ridiculous in this?
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:42 PM
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Why? Do you actually think this tragedy would not have happened if kids had prayed?
I believe in the power of prayer. Yes what a fanatic I am. I anointed my nephews before they left the house when they were in elementary school. I believe in God's protection. I'm such a nutjob. But how can I be? A long time ago I realized what everyone else is doing wasn't working, so I tried Jesus, and it worked out.
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Dord, and others...

I was thinking about all this this last night. The world has always been a cruel evil place, ever since Adam and Eve messed up in the garden. Their one son, murdered their other son. Horrible, evil, terrible, incredibly sick and despicable things have taken place all down through the corridors of time.
Read the Bible. There are specific generations and periods of time that even in scripture are characterized as more wicked or evil then others. Sodom and Gomorrah are an example of this as well as the generation of Noah, Jesus' generation, the end times generation, etc. I believe we are living in an exceptionally wicked age, and that this nation in particular has never seen the level of wickedness it is seen amongst it's youth I can assure you of that. There's nothing new under the sun, something do get worse but that all that does not change the wickedness going on in this nation TODAY, nor should it change our outrage toward it.

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I think you get my point.... I am not trying to undermine the travesty and the terrible tragedy of the situation that happened yesterday... but I want to speak to the mindset that we are somehow in a worse place today than the world has ever been in ... I don't know about that....
This IS however and exceptionally godless age or season of time and it is effecting this nation in strange ways. I see it as a reality and front of me and I feel it also in my spirit, that yesterday was a sign or a hint of something dark of a new age coming over this nation of lawlessness and sin. Not that it hasn't run rampant in the last few decades, but sin is restrained in most societies by law and order. But there comes a time when law and order means nothing and lawlessness rules. It's happened in every great empire and has led to the destruction of major world powers historically. When a nation looses any moral foundation that it has restraining sin from causing unrestricted chaos, nations fall.
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Is prayer allowed in churches? There have been shootings there, too.
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