Trinity Diagnosis

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Are you sure you don't side-brew for a fund-raiser?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Pliny

What was said must always be said in context. Context includes the the text, historical context, grammatical context, sociological context etc.

Jesus is the visible manifestation of the invisible God (Col. 1:15; Jn. 1:14). As such He had authority before Matt. 28 because of His deity. Jesus could not give authority He did not have.

No, if Jesus already at authority He wouldn't need to be given it. At some point in time someone gave Jesus authority. The scripture again...

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Likewise, Jesus gave authority to the Apostles, who didn't have authority before it was given to them. There is a giver and there is a receiver with both Jesus and the Apostles.

It is interesting you say:
Yes, God was in Christ...God with us."

Yet deny He is god. You are talking in circles just like Trinitarian's...

Nope, God in Him did not mean that He was God, it means that God was in Him. He was the express image of God. He manifested God. But He wasn't God, He was the Son of God, the Christ, the Lamb of God.

Phil. 2 tells us that Christ is God and man.[/QUOTE]

Philippians 2 has 30 verses. Would you point out where the chapter tells us that Christ is God and man?

As God He set aside all His divine prerogatives and lived the life of a man. Calvary depends upon this. Clearly no man could make atonement for all have sinned (Rom. 3:23 etc.).

There is no scripture supporting your statement that 'as God he set aside all His divine prerogatives and lived the life of a man'. If you have it, please post it. If this is the passage you're attempting to use to support your view, it doesn't work.

Php 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Php 2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

Therefore God came in the likeness of men by laying aside His divine prerogatives and lived the life of a man. Now that Calvary is accomplished He takes back up the divine prerogatives He once laid down for the salvation of mankind.

Deny all you want but your Christ is another Christ thus another gospel.

'My Christ' is the Son of God, sent by His Father and God (who incidentally is the same Father and God of Mary), is the Lamb of God, the Son of David, the perfect high priest and now sits with His Father and God in His Father and God's throne.

He's not God.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Are you sure you don't side-brew for a fund-raiser?

Perhaps for communion.


J/K


FTR IMO any alcohol except for medicinal purposes is wrong.

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Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

(I Timothy 5:23)

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Problem is how little is a little? Quite a dilemma for some folks.

[John Hamilton]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Trinitarians aren't Christians.

All 1st century Christains were baptized in Jesus Name and believed in Deut. 6:4......

Amen! All 21st century Christians still do!

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by seekerman

No, if Jesus already at authority He wouldn't need to be given it. At some point in time someone gave Jesus authority. The scripture again...

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

This was after this:

Likewise, Jesus gave authority to the Apostles, who didn't have authority before it was given to them. There is a giver and there is a receiver with both Jesus and the Apostles.

It is clear Jesus laid down His divine prerogatives to live the life of man (Phil. 2) to be able to make atonement because, it had to be man for man (Rom. 5; 1 Cor. 15). Bulls and goats could never pay the price (Heb. 10:4). No man is spotless (Rom. 3:23) so God came and set aside His divine prerogatives to live the life of a man to do what no one else could.

Your own words testify against you.
For your logic to stand you must show where Jesus was given this authority prior to His giving authority to the Disciples. Mtt. 28 is much later than that. You must show where Christ was given that authority BEFORE He gave it to the Disciples. You can't.

As I said Phil 2 makes it clear Jesus laid down His divine prerogatives to live as a man for our redemption. Now that Calvary was finished He once again claimed what was once set aside. As I said your Christ is not the Christ of scripture.


Nope, God in Him did not mean that He was God, it means that God was in Him. He was the express image of God. He manifested God. But He wasn't God, He was the Son of God, the Christ, the Lamb of God.

Phil. 2 tells us that Christ is God and man.

Philippians 2 has 30 verses. Would you point out where the chapter tells us that Christ is God and man?

Php 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

But you knew this already so the question is simply an obfuscation. See below.

There is no scripture supporting your statement that 'as God he set aside all His divine prerogatives and lived the life of a man'. If you have it, please post it. If this is the passage you're attempting to use to support your view, it doesn't work.

Php 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Php 2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

Actually it is very clear. He existed as God and as man.

'My Christ' is the Son of God, sent by His Father and God (who incidentally is the same Father and God of Mary), is the Lamb of God, the Son of David, the perfect high priest and now sits with His Father and God in His Father and God's throne.

Ahhh...but is HE the same God as Thomas?
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.


He's not God.[/QUOTE]

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

(I Timothy 5:23)

Two things:
1) I said except for medicinal purposes.
2) Most people think wine is the same today as it was then. This is hardly the case. There were many wines back then and many were made specifically for medicinal purposes. Also, they diluted their wine with water typically 3-1.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Problem is how little is a little? Quite a dilemma for some folks.

Yes indeed!

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"stomach sake and thine often infirmities" is needing medicine?

Some folks have a lot of infirmities wouldn't ya say?