Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surprised

[tv1a]

Thanks Ron. We could have used you a few months ago when the wolves were looking for blood.

Originally Posted by Ron

gos·sip

1. Rumor or talk of a personal, sensational, or intimate nature.
2. A person who habitually spreads intimate or private rumors or facts.

Talebearer : one that spreads gossip or rumors; also : tattletale

From the Bible:

Leviticus 19:16
Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the Lord.

Poverbs 18:
12 He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace.

13 A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.

Proverbs 26:20
Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.

Proverbs 26:22
The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.


Romans 1:28-32 KJV
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 1:28-32 Amplified
28 And so, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or approve of Him or consider Him worth the knowing, God gave them over to a base and condemned mind to do things not proper or decent but loathsome,

29 Until they were filled (permeated and saturated) with every kind of unrighteousness, iniquity, grasping and covetous greed, and malice. [They were] full of envy and jealousy, murder, strife, deceit and treachery, ill will and cruel ways. [They were] secret backbiters and gossipers,

30 Slanderers, hateful to and hating God, full of insolence, arrogance, [and] boasting; inventors of new forms of evil, disobedient and undutiful to parents.

31 [They were] without understanding, conscienceless and faithless, heartless and loveless [and] merciless.

32 Though they are fully aware of God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them themselves but approve and applaud others who practice them.

MMM, MMMM, MMM.

[tv1a]

You deserve another ice cream cone for this post.

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8

Okay - so it may be true, and so most of the posts regarding what happened may have been honest, and some things said may have been just. But was it pure? It certainly wasn't lovely. Was it of a good report? Was there any virtue in discussing it? There certainly wasn't any "praise."

My pastor has taught me: If you aren't part of the problem and you aren't part of the solution - if you discuss it, that is gossip.

I agree with most all of the posters that guidelines need to be in place and churches need to be protected with by-laws etc. that prevent financial disaster and protect the local church body; however, those points could have been raised without all the "Thad-type NEWS FLASH" postings. JMHO

My heart breaks for the saints of this church and for the family that was affected, but I'm not part of the problem nor am I part of the solution - were you? If not, I believe it gossip to discuss it.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[tv1a]

Ron, to those people, it's a First Ammendment issue, not a spiritual issue.

Originally Posted by Ron

Becoming of what? That is a vahgue accusation Renda.
Is it not becoming to stand up for Bible?

[tv1a]

You bring up points I've been making for weeks now.

Old Paths and Epley are sublte in their displeasure of the thread.

Is it my imagination, or have I joined conservative side on this issue?

Originally Posted by Ron

Hi All,
How is everyone? I was on the net & checking bookmarks & dropped by as I thought I heard some men of God might be here such as Old Paths, & Bro Epley.
What to my dismay did I see as the first thread:
Prominent Memphis Area Resigns.
I had an inkling of who it may be but not how you might think I may be aware of it.
I was starting to read the thread & saw accusations of a certain nature against a man of God & I wept, wept because there were accusations & I was thinking,
what if this isn't true? I then said, if this is true, how is this thread going to help the Church in question & the Minister being accused?
You see, this coming March 27th will be the thirtieth anniversary that I first walked through the doors of Maranatha Tabernacle in Vancouver.

The Minister in question was my first Pastor, he Baptised me on April 4th (Easter Monday & the Annual Business Meeting) & prayed for me to receive the Holy Ghost on April 17th & I got it!
He was a great Pastor & i have wonderful memories from that time.

I read where some questioned his Bio somewhere but I can vouch for the fact that the highest we got attendence was 238 we had 12 baptised that day & we joked it was all a Biblical number.
I owe a great debt to him as I came to the Lord under his Ministry & am in the Church today in large part due to him.
It was an international Church with natives, blacks, Hispanics & even a few white Canadians to boot. In fact I am a heinz 57 with a big mixture in myself so charges of possible racism are a little hard to fathom.

Which leaves the question, how did I potentially think that this thread was about who I thought it was about?
We had Revival services with an evangilist the first weekend in January & my former Pastor who Pastors nearby was invited by my present Pastor to join us & I went up to him & hug his neck & he said, "I heard that a Bro_____ resigned his Church & is evangilizing again, have you heard anything?"
I answered, "No, I haven't"
We then started the service.

Some have wondered why I left this site a few years ago & I have stated that I was dismayed at the way Apostolic Ministers are drug through the mud, drawn & quartered, & generally held in such high contempt that I was more than a little shocked.
I have heard it say, "it is a catharsis, a venting, a letting go of the past by dragging figures in the present through the mud & wringer.

I was taught better. I was taught to respect the man of God. I was taught that dragging ministers through an open forum on the internet was "plain old gossip & that those who did such things were a tale bearer.
I am sorry but I do not beleive in Calvinism & that you can never lose your salvation.
There are a great many that need to repent.

CC1, What was your purpose in starting that thread anyways? Was it so that he may find repentence & restoration? I doubt it.
Whatever happened to Mathew 18: 15-17?
I think this matter belongs only to the people involved & the Church where it took place.
IT IS NO ONE ELSES BUSINESS!

I could tell stories of Ministers I know if have dropped the ball--but I won't, because they need to find a way back to God as well.
Some have come back to God & some I still weep over & keep looking & hoping they will find their way back.
Threads such as the one I am referencing serve only to burn bridges & muddy the waters, not to mention causing people to meddle in affairs that are not our own.

Some have questioned why the delay God? Perhaps God is being merciful, for don't Ministers need mercy too?
Anyway you slice it people are hurt but this is not how you handle these situations.

I dissapeared a few years back after going to prayer & weaping before God at the casual way people (including fellow ministers) were so quick to call down, sully, & generally rail against the Man of God & while I was weaping God spoke to me in that still small voice & indicated that he was not happy either & that "he would deal with it!"

I am sorry if I come across harsh & you can all dismiss me if you like but I am telling you--I heard from God.
You can play with fire if you so desire, but it is eternal fire you are messing with.

Thank you for allowing me my say & it is up to you to respond, deny, make fun of & even delete this thread & post.


Ron

[Ron]

Originally Posted by tv1a

You bring up points I've been making for weeks now.

Old Paths and Epley are sublte in their displeasure of the thread.

Is it my imagination, or have I joined conservative side on this issue?

You've joined the Bible side!

[tv1a]

CC1,
You may had good intentions starting the thread, but good intentions doesn't excuse violating Biblical principle.

[Ron]

Thanks for the kind comments. Maybe I am getting old, maybe I feel the coming of the Lord is comiing head on at us like a freight train, but I really do not care so much of what people think of me.
I care what he thinks.
I tell you what, I know the voice of God & in weeping & prayer I aked how people could be so callous & disrespectful of the Ministry in this day & age & he was upset as well.
He said in that still small voice, "I will take care of it."
Some people better be carefull
In our own district over 20 years ago, we had a young newlywed ragging & sloggin' on a man of God. To this day, I do not know if there was any merit to what she had to say, but the man of God never fought back, her & her husband were driving to Church with their infant daughter in a car seat in the back seat.
A guy was running from the cops t-boned her side of the car & drove her body into the trunk on top of her baby.
They buried them both in the same casket.
Today her husband is lost on drugs & a mess.

[tv1a]

I don't understand why people want to risk missing heaven because of an insatiable appetite for gossip.

Originally Posted by Ron

Thanks for the kind comments. Maybe I am getting old, maybe I feel the coming of the Lord is comiing head on at us like a freight train, but I really do not care so much of what people think of me.
I care what he thinks.
I tell you what, I know the voice of God & in weeping & prayer I aked how people could be so callous & disrespectful of the Ministry in this day & age & he was upset as well.
He said in that still small voice, "I will take care of it."
Some people better be carefull
In our own district over 20 years ago, we had a young newlywed ragging & sloggin' on a man of God. To this day, I do not know if there was any merit to what she had to say, but the man of God never fought back, her & her husband were driving to Church with their infant daughter in a car seat in the back seat.
A guy was running from the cops t-boned her side of the car & drove her body into the trunk on top of her baby.
They buried them both in the same casket.
Today her husband is lost on drugs & a mess.

[not4saken]

Originally Posted by Ron

Thanks for the kind comments. Maybe I am getting old, maybe I feel the coming of the Lord is comiing head on at us like a freight train, but I really do not care so much of what people think of me.
I care what he thinks.
I tell you what, I know the voice of God & in weeping & prayer I aked how people could be so callous & disrespectful of the Ministry in this day & age & he was upset as well.
He said in that still small voice, "I will take care of it."
Some people better be carefull
In our own district over 20 years ago, we had a young newlywed ragging & sloggin' on a man of God. To this day, I do not know if there was any merit to what she had to say, but the man of God never fought back, her & her husband were driving to Church with their infant daughter in a car seat in the back seat.
A guy was running from the cops t-boned her side of the car & drove her body into the trunk on top of her baby.
They buried them both in the same casket.
Today her husband is lost on drugs & a mess.

Are you asking me to believe that God required the life of this woman and her innocent child because of her gossip? I thought that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of the world? The Spotless lamb...

am I reading this post wrong? Is my thinking in error??

[Ron]

Originally Posted by not4saken

Are you asking me to believe that God required the life of this woman and her innocent child because of her gossip? I thought that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of the world? The Spotless lamb...

am I reading this post wrong? Is my thinking in error??

Ever read Acts chapter 5?
God is patient but as one of my Pastors have said, "you can play games with God all you want, but he is only going to play games with you for so long."