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02-02-2013, 08:05 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Cindy
In this situation it might be necessary.
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Why? I agree with Elder Epley that it is very unhealthy for a church to be pastorless for very long. You need someone in leadership reasonably quickly. Someone with the vision for that church.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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02-02-2013, 08:15 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Why? I agree with Elder Epley that it is very unhealthy for a church to be pastorless for very long. You need someone in leadership reasonably quickly. Someone with the vision for that church.
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I think it is according to how long it takes the congregation to accept another Pastor. I am sure they are still trying to recover their trust in Pastor's. Some of them have probably been under TB's pastoring all their lives.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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02-02-2013, 08:18 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Why? I agree with Elder Epley that it is very unhealthy for a church to be pastorless for very long. You need someone in leadership reasonably quickly. Someone with the vision for that church.
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The very LAST thing you want to do (as we are finding in my own church that is looking for a pastor) is to rush through the process and get someone who may not be a pastor at all but a wolf in sheep's clothing! And yes, they are more common than you would think.
It may be unhealthy for a church to be without a pastor, but it is much , much more unhealthy for them to rush and choose the wrong man for the job! That can quickly destroy a church!
The way we are doing it at our church is fasting and prayer and letting God make the decision. When the man walks through the door of our church, I have every confidence that if we are sensitive to the spirit, God will tell us that is the man. Until then.... we WAIT! We do not rush something that God never intended rushing! There is nothing wrong with waiting on the Spirit until it tells you what to do!
Picking a pastor is one of the most important things a church can do. If the man has a vision and the church backs him... a church can go far.BUT.... if they choose the wrong person and he does not have a vision but is a hireling, it can destroy a church as well!
The bible says : Proverbs 29:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
THAT is how important it is in choosing a pastor!
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02-02-2013, 08:25 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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The very LAST thing you want to do (as we are finding in my own church that is looking for a pastor) is to rush through the process and get someone who may not be a pastor at all but a wolf in sheep's clothing! And yes, they are more common than you would think.
It may be unhealthy for a church to be without a pastor, but it is much , much more unhealthy for them to rush and choose the wrong man for the job! That can quickly destroy a church!
The way we are doing it at our church is fasting and prayer and letting God make the decision. When the man walks through the door of our church, I have every confidence that if we are sensitive to the spirit, God will tell us that is the man. Until then.... we WAIT! We do not rush something that God never intended rushing! There is nothing wrong with waiting on the Spirit until it tells you what to do!
Picking a pastor is one of the most important things a church can do. If the man has a vision and the church backs him... a church can go far.BUT.... if they choose the wrong person and he does not have a vision but is a hireling, it can destroy a church as well!
The bible says : Proverbs 29:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
THAT is how important it is in choosing a pastor! |
I agree with everything in your post except what must be your definition of "rushing".
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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02-02-2013, 08:27 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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I agree with everything in your post except what must be your definition of "rushing".
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Well you and I see it differently then. I believe in waiting "As long as it takes" for God to show you what he wants to show you.
Sometimes it can be done in 90 days or less...sometimes..no!
All depends on the situation and the people involved.
And if we are truly waiting on God, then HE makes the decision as to when, not us.
Think about it this way, the 90 days you speak of are REALLY NOT 90 days but only ONE Sunday each week to hear and evaluate that person.
So if you say four weeks to a month then that is only four Sunday's a month!
90 days? That's three months which would be 12 Sundays to have people come in and evaluate them. If you threw in Wedsdays that would be 24 services, but most churches do NOT have potential pastors on a wedsday when a lot of the congregation may be missing. So it is not as much time as you think! As far as church time goes, a month is not 30 days. But only 12 days for traditional churches.
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02-02-2013, 08:37 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Well you and I see it differently then. I believe in waiting "As long as it takes" for God to show you what he wants to show you.
Sometimes it can be done in 90 days or less...sometimes..no!
All depends on the situation and the people involved.
And if we are truly waiting on God, then HE makes the decision as to when, not us.
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If you are not careful this "waiting on God" will actually turn into waiting for the guy who appeals to the people most or worse yet will turn into a situation where those running the show dilly dally around and end up liking things the way they are so let the church sit in limbo for an extended period of time and possibly lose more folks in the process.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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02-02-2013, 08:46 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by webe123
The very LAST thing you want to do (as we are finding in my own church that is looking for a pastor) is to rush through the process and get someone who may not be a pastor at all but a wolf in sheep's clothing! And yes, they are more common than you would think.
It may be unhealthy for a church to be without a pastor, but it is much , much more unhealthy for them to rush and choose the wrong man for the job! That can quickly destroy a church!
The way we are doing it at our church is fasting and prayer and letting God make the decision. When the man walks through the door of our church, I have every confidence that if we are sensitive to the spirit, God will tell us that is the man. Until then.... we WAIT! We do not rush something that God never intended rushing! There is nothing wrong with waiting on the Spirit until it tells you what to do!
Picking a pastor is one of the most important things a church can do. If the man has a vision and the church backs him... a church can go far.BUT.... if they choose the wrong person and he does not have a vision but is a hireling, it can destroy a church as well!
The bible says : Proverbs 29:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
THAT is how important it is in choosing a pastor! |
Go ahead and take your time and 3 more churches will start. 
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02-02-2013, 08:52 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Go ahead and take your time and 3 more churches will start. |
Do you think many have already left that particular church, Elder?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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02-02-2013, 10:45 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
While I agree with Elder Epley that it is not good for a Church to be without a Pastor, a Church can go for a while with a caretaker Pastor until God's man is found.
We went 6 months with a caretaker Pastor Elder Ralph Reynolds was our Pastor for six months until the right man came.
I remember what my Pastor says & I agree, "the man doesn't seek the position--the position seeks the man!"
God always has a man.
Praying heartfelt prayers in Vancouver for God's provision, in God's time!
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02-03-2013, 07:52 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Do you think many have already left that particular church, Elder?
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I have heard of one church already started from that group and others are visiting other churches? But what do I know?
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