Something interesting about gays.

[houston]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Everybody wants an excuse to alleviate them from responsibility of their actions. This holds true for all sin, not just the sin of homosexuality.

Like the man who was sexually abused as a child, turns around and sexually abuses his daughter. His excuse was that it happened to him. That does not make sense. Nor will it fly in a courtroom.

Truth is...we all choose to take the actions we take. Sometimes it is premeditated, sometimes spur of the moment, sometimes reactions to danger...but we choose.

Thank you for bringing reason back into the conversation. I agree.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Luke

I do not agree that people are born gay. I do believe that all mankind are born sinners from there we choose what sins we pursue. But even if people were born that way it would still be sinful and abominable to remain that way. As to weather or not they act upon it they should seek a complete deliverance from that sin just as anyone else would any other sin.

I agree with half of what you stated.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

All that being said, do we throw stones at the homosexuals because they make a conscious choice?

NO.

I would not gravitate to any church who would use stones to try to persuade me to believe what the written Word teaches.

Also, would we stone (literally) somebody who committed adultery? Do we stone people who steal? The muslims cut off their hand.

If we believe that God delivers from sin, then all we need to do is pray that the Holy Ghost convicts any sinner from what they are doing against God's commandments. I've seen people literally run and slide on their knees to the altar after sermons.

God is still sovereign and on the throne.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

They all going to hell unless they repent!

Everyone is going to hell unless they repent

[StillStanding]

I believe babies are born asexual. Boy babies aren't attracted to girl babies or other boy babies. They are attracted to their mother, most likely!

I do believe every human has a preposition to attraction one way or the other. It has not been scientifically proven that there is anything that influences this attraction. It is what it is. It is how God made us!

I don't believe one's natural attraction is a sin. It is acting out sexual activity outside of marriage where sin comes in. The adulterer or fornicator is no better than a practicing gay person. All is sin! They are all following the lust of the flesh instead of following godliness.

I know that some (maybe most!) don't agree with me, but that's OK! I know of too many man who were attracted to other men that have thought of committing suicide because they WANT to be heterosexual and be "normal". After crying and begging God to change them, they were unable to change. I had a friend ask me, " Do you really think I would CHOOSE to be like this, to suffer the ridicule of family and friends, to be the subject of gossip and cruel jokes, to be called horrible names?"

I use to think like most on this thread think on this issue. My heart was changed to more compassionate when a close friend revealed his issue to me. I KNOW this man loves God, and would love nothing else but to be "normal" so he would fit in.

In case you're wondering, NO, I'm not gay! I'm happily married with three children and six grandchildren!

[houston]

S²,

Thanks for sharing.

[Luke]

It is not normal to be homosexual it is sinful but it is possible to be delivered from this sin just as it possible to be delivered from another sin. I am not throwing stones anymore than a preacher telling a drunkard that there is forgives and deliverance for him through Christ rather I am throwing a lifeline.

[RandyWayne]

I have been watching this guy on YouTube for a while now. He is a riot!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

I believe babies are born asexual. Boy babies aren't attracted to girl babies or other boy babies. They are attracted to their mother, most likely!

I do believe every human has a preposition to attraction one way or the other. It has not been scientifically proven that there is anything that influences this attraction. It is what it is. It is how God made us!

I don't believe one's natural attraction is a sin. It is acting out sexual activity outside of marriage where sin comes in. The adulterer or fornicator is no better than a practicing gay person. All is sin! They are all following the lust of the flesh instead of following godliness.

I know that some (maybe most!) don't agree with me, but that's OK! I know of too many man who were attracted to other men that have thought of committing suicide because they WANT to be heterosexual and be "normal". After crying and begging God to change them, they were unable to change. I had a friend ask me, " Do you really think I would CHOOSE to be like this, to suffer the ridicule of family and friends, to be the subject of gossip and cruel jokes, to be called horrible names?"

I use to think like most on this thread think on this issue. My heart was changed to more compassionate when a close friend revealed his issue to me. I KNOW this man loves God, and would love nothing else but to be "normal" so he would fit in.

In case you're wondering, NO, I'm not gay! I'm happily married with three children and six grandchildren!

Now... I'm going to ask a few questions and I want to state up front that I'm not trying to be smart alec and I'm not trying to make light of your position.

What you have stated here reminds me a lot of the "if they had a choice why would they choose this lifestyle with all of the rejection they get from society" argument. When I hear this thought put forward questions begin to roll through my mind...

If the statement in quotes above has any validity then wouldn't the same remain true for child molesters & serial adulterers? Why would they choose a life that is so looked down on society and so ridiculed if they had a choice? That seems far fetched but that is the clear end for this reasoning.

I see the same with what you have stated here. What if there were a man in your life who loves God, and would love nothing else but to be "normal" so he would fit in and yet he had a problem with child molestation? Should our compassion for child molesters increase?

What if you had a friend who just cannot stop cheating on his wife? He continually sleeps with other women but he loves God, and would love nothing else but to be "normal" so he would fit in? Should we see adulterers in a new and compassionate light?

There are clearly people who have these problems. And, beyond their deviant activities, I would imagine that some of them are good people and probably some of them attend church.

The scripture that comes to my mind is this... The heart is deceitful above all things...

I pray that you consider what I have presented here.

We are not to hate the sinner etc. But I don't think we are to come to a place where we accept a premise that says God made us this way. If we do that then when the premise runs it's course we will find ourselves having compassion for the child molester or the adulterer or the rapist because that is where this reasoning finally leads.

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

the act of sex itself is not a sin if a man and a woman choose to be married. And Yes I CHOSE to be attracted to my wife. Who do you choose to be attracted to houston?