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Old 02-12-2013, 12:13 PM
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Re: Have you accepted Jesus?

Did the various Oneness organizations use "The Four Spiritual Laws" tracts, back in the day? They were big in the AG for a while. I'm guessing not, since they purport to tell you how to be saved, but there's nothing in them about baptism or tongues.

So, why did AG churches get on that bandwagon? I think it was that it seemed like a neat, logical (in AG minds ) presentation that they could more or less agree with. They were OK with omitting tongues and baptism, as the AG doesn't teach that these are requirement to be saved, but rather extra "bonuses" that would come later. Salvation was step 1, water baptism was pretty much mandatory, and tongues was something to strive for and get high-fived (figuratively or literally) when you get it -- especially if you had to work at it for a long, long time, as some did.
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To say that an unsaved person can recieve the baptism of the Holy Ghost is false and 100% unbiblical.

John14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
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To say that an unsaved person can recieve the baptism of the Holy Ghost is false and 100% unbiblical.

John14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Luke sorry but I watched my daughter speak in tongues and she was and is unsaved. I watched her lose her English!
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One of the best lessons that I learned from one of my former pastors was " TRUTH DICTATES EXPERIENCE, EXPERIENCE NEVER DICTATES TRUTH".

God NEVER contradicts His word:

Psalms119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.

Matthew24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
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Yep. If what you see contradicts certain ancient writings (stress: certain writings), what you see isn't real. E.g., if certain ancient writings say unbelievers are evil, and you think you see good unbelievers, you're wrong. They're evil people. Like me!
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Oh, and it goes without saying that everyone here knows how to tell which ancient writings must be believed, even if they contradict what you see.
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Yep. If what you see contradicts certain ancient writings (stress: certain writings), what you see isn't real. E.g., if certain ancient writings say unbelievers are evil, and you think you see good unbelievers, you're wrong. They're evil people. Like me!
Timmy, evil? Funny, nice & strange maybe!
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Timmy, evil? Funny, nice & strange maybe!
Well, yeah, there's that. But would God throw someone into hell that wasn't evil?
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I would equate what she is saying with "repentance." "Accepting Jesus" (as I understand the term) is when you make a conscious choice to serve God and forsake sin. E.g., repentance.
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And yet, I also know of folks who have "accepted Jesus"
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