The question about Jesus is not a red herring but is Berg applicable in that if what you are saying is true that a man must have a carnal/flesh/sinful nature under to be tempted then your are saying that since Jesus was tempted He posses such a nature but if you say He did not have a carnal/flesh/sinful nature and was still tempted then you are admitting your argument is wrong! The reason you refuse to answer my question is not because it is a red herring but because you can't without destroying your own argument!!!
As to our flesh/carnal nature not being the same as a sinful nature if that is your belief you cannot use
Romans 7 when you notice how Paul describes that which fights in these verses:
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
To say say that Paul taught simple overcomeing instead of complete removal of our sinful/carnal/flesh nature in
Romans 7&8 mames no sense. Let me illustrate my point as it applies to
Romans 7 and 8. In romans 7 we are told by Paul in verse 21 22 23 that what he struggled with was a law of sin. In
Romans 8:2 Paul that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made him free from the law of sin and death.
Now by way of illustration lets substitute the word CHAIN for the phrase LAW OF SIN we would then find Paul saying he was bound by a CHIAN in chapter 7 and freed from a CHAIN in chapter 8. To say therefore that Paul meant he was given the power to overcome and resist the CHAIN but not have it removed would be the same as saying that by loosening the CHAIN to where you could hobble around was freedom. Such an idea makes no sense! If someone is bound by a chain and them set free it means the chain was removed from them and in no longer on them! In just the same way when Paul says he was freed from from the law of sin that he speaks of struggleing with in chapter 7 it means the same thing that it was removed and he no longer had it! Otherwise why did he not say " the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath helped me with the law of sin and death rather than freed me from the law of sin and death.
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