I'm sorry Ferd ... but to act as if a President constitutional right to repel what he deems as attacks on America is INDEED VERY CONSTITUTIONAL.
Simply put the President has war powers and it's guaranteed to him by the Constitution and War Powers resolution of 1973.
The purpose of the War Powers Resolution is to ensure that Congress and the President share in making decisions that may get the U.S. involved in hostilities. Portions of the War Powers Resolution require the President to consult with Congress prior to the start of any hostilities as well as regularly until U.S. armed forces are no longer engaged in hostilities (Sec. 3); and to remove U.S. armed forces from hostilities if Congress has not declared war or passed a resolution authorizing the use of force within 60 days (Sec.. 5(b)). Following an official request by the President to Congress, the time limit can be extended by an additional 30 days (presumably when "unavoidable military necessity" requires additional action for a safe withdrawal). [Wiki]
Furthermore early Presidents took military actions w/o formal declaration from Congress.... Adams in the Quasi War ... and Jefferson in the War of Tripoli ...
did you mean Ferd or Chan? I think we agree.
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The Michigan GOP tried to get Ron Paul booted out of any further debates, and we SHUT THEM DOWN. (YES, I was one of the 20,000 plus callers to both the Michigan GOP and the RNC). When I called, the day the story broke, they told me they had already had over 1,000 callers on that single issue.
Recently, nationwide, newspapers ran the story that the North American Union is a myth. They denied the existence of the "trans texas corridor". Funny, on US 59 just north of New Caney Texas not too long ago there was a billboard put up by the Texas DOT advertising the TTC...
The mainstream media are nothing else but a propaganda arm of a criminal enterprise manipulating our government into treasonous felonies that are designed to benefit special interest groups - namely, large, wealthy multi-national interests.
The Senate just recently agreed to put off voting on the Amnesty-for-Illegals bill (and yes, I called my Senator's office about it and let them know I was AGAINST any amnesty garbage) for a couple months. The House will be taking up the issue next week I believe.
Folks, persons in high places are committing was is known as "High Treason". High Treason is when people use government resources and powers to gut the nation's security.
The TTC, the North American Union, the proposed amnesty for all the illegals, on and on and on and on it goes.
I heard (haven't verified it yet) that the Selective Service is preparing new cards which ask for gender.
Hello!!!! Does that mean anything to anyone?
We have a President who has stated repeatedly that we are in an open ended, unending war. A war undeclared by Congress. A war costing TRILLIONS of dollars WE DO NOT HAVE, to fight OTHER PEOPLE'S WARS for the most part. We have Selective Service getting prepared to draft YOUR DAUGHTERS AND WIVES. I also heard in another report that the Selective Service laws are being revised so that the marriage exemption will no longer apply.
The age has already been upped to 45.
Your 35 year old wife could theoretically be drafted into military service if this garbage continues.
These are perilous times, but they are also historical times. The globalist/socialist/statists, whatever you want to call them (labels no longer mean anything) are pushing and pushing and are in fact going faster NOW than they did under the Clintonistas. (Imagine what it would be like if Hillary was in the WH!)
The DoD announced LAST YEAR a new program to recruit FOREIGN NATIONALS into our military, and they will "fast-track" them into US citizenship if they serve. Foreign Legion, anyone? This is EXACTLY what happened to Rome, right before they collapsed.
The Santa Fe police department recruiter is trying to find a way to recruit Mexican nationals (Mexican citizens) into the Santa Fe PD (this came out Monday).
FIFTEEN YEARS AGO I heard about plans for dissolving the United States, for dividing the territory up into Regional governments, for having foreign troops in the US enforcing international laws and resolutions.
NOW WE ARE SEEING IT BEING PUT INTO PLACE.
If we do not stop these criminal traitors NOW, we may find our grandchildren having the word "freedom" missing from their vocabulary entirely.
We suffer and tolerate MORE ABUSES NOW than the founding fathers tolerated in 1775. The things that sent the Colonies into a War for Independence against a tyrannical government are PEANUTS compared to what is perpetrated on the American people EVERY DAY.
Warrantless searches? Warrantless wiretaps? SECRET LEGISLATION?????? Do you realise the law regarding the FTA and the "no flight list" is SECRET and "classified"????? Do you realise the proposed amnesty bill before Congress now is SECRET?????? Not revealed? Only a few Senators have even been allowed to SEE (let alone read) the law before them?????
Folks need to get active politically NOW, WHILE YOU STILL CAN.
The alternative is, well, against the law to discuss.
Chan ... you arguments trying to deny the War powers ofa President ... is nothing new ... this debate has been raging for decades .... you can twist and turn it as you please ... the fact still remains .... THAT ONLY THE SUPREME COURT DECIDES WHATS CONSTITUTIONAL OR NOT .... AND TILL THIS DAY THEY HAVE NOT ... RULED IT UNCONSTITIONAL ....
furthermore my statements about the military actions of early presidents still stand ... as actions W/O formal declarations of war ... they are no different ... then the commercially based military action/decisions ... recent Presidents have made ....
I quoted what the CONSTITUTION says about the powers of the President and those of Congress. I'm going to take the words of the Constitution over anything else. And, no, there is nothing in the Constitution that says only the Supreme Court decides what is constitutional or not. Of course, maybe the reason they haven't ruled on the War Powers Resolution is because no one has filed suit in federal courts.
Now, for a little lesson in what the Constitution says about the Courts. Quoting from Article 3:
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
(The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.)
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
The section in parentheses was modified by the 11th Amendment. That amendment states:
The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.
I don't see anything in the sections quoted above about the Court getting to decide what is or is not constitutional.
Where you are getting this notion of the Courts declaring laws "unconstitutional" from is a very famous Supreme Court case, Marbury v. Madison
Now prepare for the neo-con drone but don't sweat it.
This nation is waking up.
The mainstream media is acting like this movement isn't happening and the numbers they are seeing are mere flukes.
The movement IS that big and it is growing by the day.
Let the talking heads rattle because they will soon be working hard to keep themselves convinced of their own rhetoric as the new reality becomes harder and harder to deny.
I quoted what the CONSTITUTION says about the powers of the President and those of Congress. I'm going to take the words of the Constitution over anything else. And, no, there is nothing in the Constitution that says only the Supreme Court decides what is constitutional or not. Of course, maybe the reason they haven't ruled on the War Powers Resolution is because no one has filed suit in federal courts.
Now, for a little lesson in what the Constitution says about the Courts. Quoting from Article 3:
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
(The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.)
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
The section in parentheses was modified by the 11th Amendment. That amendment states:
The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.
I don't see anything in the sections quoted above about the Court getting to decide what is or is not constitutional.
Where you are getting this notion of the Courts declaring laws "unconstitutional" from is a very famous Supreme Court case, Marbury v. Madison
Yet none of this will have the slightest affect...
Reminds me of trying to show folks stuff in the Bible... point to it with your finger and press it to their nose yet they still don't see it.
Now prepare for the neo-con drone but don't sweat it.
This nation is waking up.
The mainstream media is acting like this movement isn't happening and the numbers they are seeing are mere flukes.
The movement IS that big and it is growing by the day.
Let the talking heads rattle because they will soon be working hard to keep themselves convinced of their own rhetoric as the new reality becomes harder and harder to deny.
I quit listening to the "neo-con drone" when I found out neoconservativism is nothing but Trotskyism.
With nut cases like Rosie O-Donnell bashing someone like Elizabeth Hasselbeck(sp?), I can't believe anyone would actually want to buy into the left-wing crud and identify with wackos like her. Dems and "centerist" Republicans are just risking their credibility with the public when they spout their conspiracy theories, etc.
Makes them sound like they need to call the men in the little white coats and the paddy wagon. Come-n-gettum!
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