To tithe or not to tithe?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The tithe predates the Levites....

Run to Abraham.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Run to Abraham.

What is that supposed to mean?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I have no idea what you mean about Jacob bullying God.

Here's what I mean! Modern day church, I"m sure yours too, preaches "God will bless you," but you first must give yout tithe. Also, I've heard it preached, "tithe or God will curse you!" You know as well as I, That's the message preached behind pulpits.

Who is wrong, Jacob or modern day preaches? They both practiced the complete opposite in regard to tithing. Did Jacob bully God into blessing him first, before Jacob gave tithes, assuming you first must give tithes to be blessed, as modern day preachers teach?


Genesis 28:22-22 reads:

20) Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “if God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear

21) so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the LORD will be my God

22) and this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”


I'll tithe only if you bless me, that was Jacob's example!

Regards,
Jacob's Ladder

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Here's what I mean! Modern day church, I"m sure yours too, preaches "God will bless you," but you first must give yout tithe. Also, I've heard it preached, "tithe or God will curse you!" You know as well as I, That's the message preached behind pulpits.

Who is wrong, Jacob or modern day preaches? They both practiced the complete opposite in regard to tithing. Did Jacob bully God into blessing him first, before Jacob gave tithes, assuming you first must give tithes to be blessed, as modern day preachers teach?


Genesis 28:22-22 reads:

20) Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “if God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear

21) so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the LORD will be my God

22) and this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”


I'll tithe only if you bless me, that was Jacob's example!

Regards,
Jacob's Ladder

I don't see where you are getting Jacob bullied God.

BTW I think you are missing the point in that verse. Jacob is making a vow to God before Jacob really knew God. In essence he was akin to today's unbeliever saying "If you really are God and you want me to follow you, please help me with this situation and if you do I will follow you and devote myself to you"

Jacob was not making a precondition to tithing. He was Letting Yhwh know that if he reveals Himself to Jacob then Jacob will become a follower and as part of being a follower, will give a 10th of what is his to Yhwh

The part you did not bold is pertinent "Then the LORD will be my God"

As part of that package, the LORD being Jacob's God, Jacob promises to build a house to God and give a 10th of what is his to God

[shag]

Prax, in your humblest of opinions, do u view that tithing of all of ones personal income given to their local assembly, to be a legitimate requirement to participate in a ministry of that assembly?






Lotta pages on this thread...anybody have an accurate conclusion to the matter ?

[imreedemed]

I just came from an evening church service. The guest speaker was invited to speak on holiness and 75% of his preaching was on tithing. He mentioned Christ once, said, he wonders why the catholic pope is considered holy, whereas no man can be holy unless he/she is in Christ (i agree). However, he continued to deliver a Christ-less, blood-less, and a cross-less gospel. He even said the sin Adam and Eve committed at the garden was "taking" what belonged to God. He may have justified his teachings with verses from O.T and N.T but i couldnt take it. We are no-longer under the law. Christ died on the cross and fulfilled the law. We are living and operating under the new covenant. Like many have said on this thread, N.T teaches on giving with a grateful heart and not as an obligation - 10%

[Praxeas]

What the guest speaker said is irrelevant. What matters is what God wills.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shag

Prax, in your humblest of opinions, do u view that tithing of all of ones personal income given to their local assembly, to be a legitimate requirement to participate in a ministry of that assembly?






Lotta pages on this thread...anybody have an accurate conclusion to the matter ?

A requirement for participating in ministy? Well I don't know. I know of no biblical reason other than assuming its a matter of faithfulness and in that regards goes beyond tithing but to the whole heart of selfless giving in many areas besides what Pastors live on.

I'd like to see the storehouse full to help those in need

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by imreedemed

I just came from an evening church service. The guest speaker was invited to speak on holiness and 75% of his preaching was on tithing. He mentioned Christ once, said, he wonders why the catholic pope is considered holy, whereas no man can be holy unless he/she is in Christ (i agree). However, he continued to deliver a Christ-less, blood-less, and a cross-less gospel. He even said the sin Adam and Eve committed at the garden was "taking" what belonged to God. He may have justified his teachings with verses from O.T and N.T but i couldnt take it. We are no-longer under the law. Christ died on the cross and fulfilled the law. We are living and operating under the new covenant. Like many have said on this thread, N.T teaches on giving with a grateful heart and not as an obligation - 10%

It's time to have options for those who want out of that environment. This is always going to happen. Home assembly is one option and ministers that know better need to opt out and start daughter works.

[Praxeas]

I agree, but it was still irrelevant to the topic