Parents Consent To Baptize Children - Page 6

Cindy · #51 03-27-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Randy, Mom was still a minor.

I believe that there comes a time when the child is morally responsible for their own salvation, and parental authority must yield. It would be at the point that the teenager is willing to suffer the familial fallout as the price to pay for w walk with God. The amount of fallout will depend on the level of antipathy toward the Apostolic life held by the parents. The question is whether or not a church and the child is willing to take an unpopular stand. A sadly complex question.

So we are to teach children to be disobedient to their parents?

SiblingRevelry · #52 03-27-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

I believe it has happened. They just had permission from one parent, and the other parent disagreed with that decision.

One parent in a marriage can consent for both. It gets tricksy when the parents are divorced. Then you want the consent of the parent who has the authority to make those decisions. And it may not be the custodial parent (but most of the time it is).

SiblingRevelry · #53 03-27-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

As a general question that has not been brought up yet, except by me, what ages are we talking about here? 6 or 7? 14? 17?

My parents made me wait three months and I was 17. And they made me wait out the entire three months too.

Jay · #54 03-27-2013, 12:32 PM

At what point does a young person become a morally independent individual? There comes a time when they must take a stand and say that they will obey God rather than man. Any step that defies authority must be made carefully with prayer. I am not advocating it in every case, but that becomes an issue between the young person, their parents, and the pastor. If Mom had submitted to my grandparents wishes, she would have not darkened the doors of an Apostolic/Pentecostal church, and would have avoided it until she was on her own. When dealing with young people who are under the parental authority of the unregenerate, the issue is, and always will be, sticky.

Cindy · #55 03-27-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

At what point does a young person become a morally independent individual? There comes a time when they must take a stand and say that they will obey God rather than man. Any step that defies authority must be made carefully with prayer. I am not advocating it in every case, but that becomes an issue between the young person, their parents, and the pastor. If Mom had submitted to my grandparents wishes, she would have not darkened the doors of an Apostolic/Pentecostal church, and would have avoided it until she was on her own. When dealing with young people who are under the parental authority of the unregenerate, the issue is, and always will be, sticky.

Yes, it is a sticky situation. If you agree it is okay, then you must agree that any other preacher of any denomination can baptize your child without parental authority.

Hoovie · #56 03-27-2013, 01:41 PM

I think get "permission" until legal age would be the right thing to do. Having said that, age 12 is different than age 16 IMO.

I was 16 and had been living on my own for a few months.

Jay · #57 03-27-2013, 03:26 PM

I would certainly wish to be included in the discussion, and I do not approve of it ever being done behind a parent's back. I believe that if permission was not obtained, then the teen must inform both pastor and parent, and work toward the best solution possible. Obeying a higher moral authority is one thing, rebellion is quite another.

seekerman · #58 03-27-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

I would certainly wish to be included in the discussion, and I do not approve of it ever being done behind a parent's back. I believe that if permission was not obtained, then the teen must inform both pastor and parent, and work toward the best solution possible. Obeying a higher moral authority is one thing, rebellion is quite another.

In this case, baptism isn't really a heaven or hell issue?

Wonder · #59 03-27-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Godzchild

I don't know about other parents but if my child would have been at that age and done it without my permission I would not be upset. But this is only MY opinion. Both of my kids were baptized at age 8 and 9 but they asked me to be. Rev. Jeff Arnold baptized both of my kids.

And on the other hand .. . . I know I would be upset if my kids were baptized without permission. I do believe in Jesus name baptism as needful to make it to heaven, however nobody knows my kids better than me other than God. Both of my kids have been baptized but that was when we felt they understood it all.

Also, let's say another church decides that my kid needs to be baptized in their way or they won't make it to heaven. You can bet your bippy I would be upset if they did so without my permission. I may be even tempted to take legal action.

All in all, I believe every situation will be judged by God. He is a big God and can keep minors until they are of age to take that step.

I definetly do not advocate going against parents. That teaches rebellion against authority.

Just my Honest Opinion !

Jay · #60 03-27-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

In this case, baptism isn't really a heaven or hell issue?

It is a Heaven or Hell issue, but not the only one. Killing a criminal who came into your home would also be a Heaven or Hell issue, where are you sending him? Life is full of these issues. This is why I have called it a thorny issue. This situational type must always be resolved with the widom and grace of God.