Do OPs have a grace problem? - Page 2

Michael The Disciple · #11 03-30-2013, 07:48 PM

If you know what grace means it looks different. Grace means "favor". It does not mean "unmerited favor" except in a narrow context.

Favor is Gods kindness toward us.

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast .

We serve God because he loves us. We sense his "favor" or "kindness" toward us. An unhappy believer is unhappy because he does not sense Gods favor/grace in his life.

Michael The Disciple · #12 03-30-2013, 07:53 PM

Grace is to KNOW PERSONALLY the kindness of God. Modernists make it into merely a LEGAL THING.

Truthseeker · #13 03-30-2013, 07:53 PM

Why does he favor us? Merit? Is it owed to us?

Praxeas · #14 03-30-2013, 08:32 PM

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I can't remember one message on grace taught or preached. You?

All the time

navygoat1998 · #15 03-30-2013, 08:35 PM

I have been away for such a long time that I really don't remember, but I have to believe that Grace must have been preached at sometime.

seekerman · #16 03-30-2013, 08:41 PM

What does it mean to be saved by grace?

Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands--
Eph 2:12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Originalist · #17 03-30-2013, 09:13 PM

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I can't remember one message on grace taught or preached. You?

I've been in the OP movement since 1992. Some of the most powerful teachings on grace and the blood that I've ever heard have been from OP pulpits.

seekerman · #18 03-30-2013, 09:17 PM

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I've been in the OP movement since 1982. Some of the most powerful teachings on grace and the blood that I've ever heard have been from OP pulpits.

I was in the oneness pentecostal movement for almost 40 years, granted some of the time I was a child, but I don't remember a single sermon on grace or the blood. I'm sure there were some preached, or should have been, but I don't remember any. I do remember many being preached on going to hell, the Godhead, baptism and various standards though. Those topics were always peppered throughout just about any sermon.

Maybe someone could give a link to sermons on grace and the blood?

Originalist · #19 03-30-2013, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

What does it mean to be saved by grace?

Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands--
Eph 2:12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

But what saves us? According to that same Paul in Titus 3:5, Paul equates salvation by grace to being "washed by regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost". Peter said that this Holy Ghost was a "gift" that would be for "all who are afar off, even as many as the Lord shall call". (Acts 2:39)

We receive this Holy Ghost regeneration as a free gift that was purchased for us at the cross. Thus, salvation by grace. No contradiction whatsoever.

navygoat1998 · #20 03-30-2013, 09:20 PM

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I was in the oneness pentecostal movement for almost 40 years, granted some of the time I was a child, but I don't remember a single sermon on grace or the blood. I'm sure there were some preached, or should have been, but I don't remember any. I do remember many being preached on going to hell, the Godhead, baptism and various standards though. Those topics were always peppered throughout just about any sermon.

Maybe someone could give a link to sermons on grace and the blood?

I believe grace is preached but sometimes the other things seem to speak louder than the grace message.