Do OPs have a grace problem?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I can't remember one message on grace taught or preached. You?

And when was the last time you were in an OP church? good grief.


I teach on Grace regularly and incorporate Grace into MOST SS lessons.

Grace has always been a HUGE part of the message. I have heard it all my life.

I am a 5th generation Apostolic.

Get real.

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by Jay

Funny, I sat in several services with two other individuals who listened to the pastor preach. I happily heard a wide variety of messages, while the others were unhappy. One wanted more on standards, but only heard the basic salvation message. The other wanted the basic salvation message every service, but heard standards. We all were sitting in the same services. You hear what you really do or do not wish to hear.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Ferd

And when was the last time you were in an OP church? good grief.


I teach on Grace regularly and incorporate Grace into MOST SS lessons.

Grace has always been a HUGE part of the message. I have heard it all my life.

I am a 5th generation Apostolic.

Get real.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Ferd

And when was the last time you were in an OP church? good grief.


I teach on Grace regularly and incorporate Grace into MOST SS lessons.

Grace has always been a HUGE part of the message. I have heard it all my life.

I am a 5th generation Apostolic.

Get real.

Weekly

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Weekly

Then maybe this is about the church you go to and not Oneness Pentecostals in general

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Then maybe this is about the church you go to and not Oneness Pentecostals in general

I have been saying from experience.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I have been saying from experience.

And we've been saying your "experience" is not universal

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And we've been saying your "experience" is not universal

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And we've been saying your "experience" is not universal

Right, where have I posted that I said it is? Are we reading what we want to read?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Ferd

And when was the last time you were in an OP church? good grief.


I teach on Grace regularly and incorporate Grace into MOST SS lessons.

Grace has always been a HUGE part of the message. I have heard it all my life.

I am a 5th generation Apostolic.

Get real.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And we've been saying your "experience" is not universal

I am only talking about MY experience which includes most of the decade of the 80's and my particular district, but having said that Grace was hardly ever mentioned and when it was it was always proceeded by caveats and modifiers such as "...and then you need to do this that and the other thing". Grace was a concept that many were actually frightened to bring up lest it take power away from them via the idea that it may make existing rules somewhat less burdensome or power away from the ruling class. In fact the word Grace has the same sort of "use with caution" approach that John 3:15 had.

I've talked to enough people since we left and firmly belief that Grace has taken a much bigger role in the UPC as a whole since then, which is a good thing, but also know their are pockets which haven't changed a bit.