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Old 04-04-2013, 08:06 AM
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Re: He is Still Oneness Pentecostal In Heart

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Okay, I'll explain my comment, knowing at the outset you won't like it.

I was a fan of Bishop Jakes from the very beginning, when not many folks knew who he was.

He made occasional visits to TBN, and I always made it a point of watching...at the time, didn't know he was Apostolic. I only knew I liked his preaching.

So I went to his website and read his doctrinal stand and history. I can't remember if he was still PAW or had just left, but he still believed and preached the Apostolic Pentecostal doctrinal line.

Slowly I began to read and hear statements by Bishop Jakes that led me to believe he was shifting in his stand.

Today, I have no idea what he believes, and frankly wonder if he does.

Oprah has visited his church and showed the video of it on her program.

Time magazine described him as the next Billy Graham.

He was asked to speak at Whitney's funeral.

Fine. But where has all of this taken him?

God is the final judge. I only know what I have witnessed from the beginning to now, and from my house, it looks like he sold out for a moment in history.

JMHO...and remember, you asked...
Just a few of points of clarification:

1. Bishop Jakes was NEVER PAW.....they wished he was, but he was a Member (was consecrated a Bishop by) Higher Ground Always Abounding Assembly based out of Columbus, OH.

2. Bishop Jakes (whom I know personally) was NEVER traditional Apostolic Pentecostal, though he was solidly oneness and did baptize in Jesus name.

3. Up until a couple of years ago, I referred to Jakes as soteriologically Apostolic by practice but not by belief. In other words....if you were to be baptized at his church, you would be baptized in Jesus name, however, if you came to his church having already been baptized (Trinitarian) and never saw your need for rebaptism he was fine with that. Now, however he allows baptism according to the candidates wishes.

4. January 25, 2012 In The Elephant Room discussion with James MacDonald and Mark Driscoll, Jakes stated that his theology had progressed to a point that neither oneness or Trinitarian dogma "totally get it for me." Prior to that however, he had affirmed one God in three persons. (This incidentally was at the same time when Lifeway Books had threatened to pull all of his books from their shelves because they saw him as teaching heretical oneness doctrine.....me thinks Jakes is a suave business man.)

5. Bishop Jakes is a tremendous orator, (I personally enjoy listening to him) and his sermons have been preached by more Apostolics that probably any other modern day preacher. That does NOT mean he is anointed, preaching full truth, etc.

6. If you are already saved.....you may hear something from Jakes that will edify you and help you.......but if you're not saved already......he will not tell you what you need to hear to be saved.

Remember y'all the Bible talks about "another" gospel (2 Cor. 11:4, Gal. 1:6) The "other" gospel makes lives better, the real gospel transforms lives. The "other" gospel helps you smoke, drink do drugs less, keep your lust under control most of the time, the real gospel breaks the addiction, and sets the captive free, they are not recovering they are delivered.

Fire away!

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