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Why would any Christian admire Hugo Chavez or Barack Obama?
you don't get to define christianity. there are millions of progressive christians. how is it that a 90 percent christian nation can elect a democrat if there weren't millions of christians voting democrat?
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Why would any Christian admire Hugo Chavez or Barack Obama?
Biblically speaking... God is an agrarian distributist. Take a look at the laws He gave Israel concerning the tithe, the poor tithe, edges of crops, gleanings, etc.
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I'm just pondering. Some scientific studies I've heard about show that "thought" produces energy. We see the electrical impulses in the brain and low level electro magnetic waves ripple into the universe with every thought. If spirits think, if they are bodiless living consciousness... wouldn't they be composed of that stuff?

In addition, we have to realize that the ancients didn't have technology. IF (big IF here) a spirit is composed of what we'd call an energy field... to the ancient mind... it would indeed be "immaterial". Physics states that everything is energy. The atomic make up of a stop sign and the energy field securing it's atoms is very dense. More dense than air. That's why your hand can flow through air... but not a stop sign. Now, what is interesting is that the more "mystical" concepts of ancient Judaism and other religious reflect this reality.

I don't have all the answers, I was just pondering. But really, if a spirit is thought of as being a living field of energy would that really go against the Bible?
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spirits are immaterial. Brains are material.

Brains are the control centers for our physical bodies. They turn our "thoughts" into electrical patterns that can be used to control our bodies and interact with this material world.
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God evolved?

He was unconscious?

What God are we speaking of? What "spirit" are we speaking of?

Are you a Christian?
you have no idea where god came from or how he evolved, if he is eternal, in what state he has been for all of eternity past. you do not define a christian. my statements are based on the observations of the philosopher friedrich schelling.

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So basically, we could use high powered magnets to protect ourselves from demonic entities.
And all those years you conspiracy nuts wore foil hats to protect from the governments mind probe rays and in reality it was acting as an antenna....
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you don't get to define christianity. there are millions of progressive christians. how is it that a 90 percent christian nation can elect a democrat if there weren't millions of christians voting democrat?
The US is not a 90% Christian nation. That's how

BTW read your bible and learn history...the majority of Israelites were backslidden. Yes it's possible to call oneself by the name of the LORD and be absolutely WRONG about Him and His ways
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spirits are immaterial. Brains are material.

Brains are the control centers for our physical bodies. They turn our "thoughts" into electrical patterns that can be used to control our bodies and interact with this material world.
Define "immaterial". What is the substance of "immaterial"?

Why do a growing number of paranormal specialists detect fluctuating electro magnetic fields when a "spiritual" presence is allegedly active?

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Christ's body arose from the grave glorified. The "physical" body changed. Suddenly Jesus can ascend into heaven, appear out of no where, be solid to touch, etc. The atoms of Christ's body were "changed" into something "spiritual". In physics, they'd say that Christ's body was transformed into a distinct form of living energy.

Remember... everything is just atoms and molecules vibrating in various densities. Your desk being more solid than your coffee or the clouds in the sky. But it's all atoms bound together through energy fields. This would also explain why spirits appear to "ride" on music (vibration) in the air.

Here's a mystery... physics cannot determine what is holding all of these charged subatomic, atomic, and molecular particles together in single bundles of energy. If God pulled one string in physics... the solid universe would dissolve into a cloud of randomly diffused energy.

Just thinking and asking questions out loud.

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you have no idea where god came from or how he evolved, if he is eternal, in what state he has been for all of eternity past. you do not define a christian. my statements are based on the observations of the philosopher friedrich schelling.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Dark-Groun...+ground+spirit
I don't believe God came from anywhere other than Heaven nor evolved. Don't give me New Age garbage to read. Show me the bible..

Your New Age and secular Philosophy defines a different god.

The God of the bible is the Eternally Existing one.

Yours is the Eternally evolving one. You come across more as a New Ager than a Christian. You seek answers from New Age Gurus like Deepak and secular philosophers like friedrich schelling

But on the other hand, the Scripture always asserts in unmistakable terms the unchangeableness of God. He is unchangeable in His nature. Although the name 'Ēl Shadday, by which He made Himself known in the patriarchal period of revelation, denotes especially God's power, this name by no means exhausts the revelation of God in that period. His unchangeableness is involved in His eternity as made known to Abraham (Gen_21:33). This attribute finds its clearest expression in the name Yahweh as revealed to Moses, the significance of which is unfolded in the passage Exo_3:13-15. God here reveals Himself to His people as “I AM THAT I AM,” using the future tense of the verb “to be,” which, as the context shows, is given as the meaning of the name Yahweh. Some recent writers would derive these words from the Hiphil stem of the verb, and affirm that it signifies that God is the giver of life. The verb, however, is in the Qal stem, the tense denoting the changeless continuity of the life and nature of God. The idea expressed is not merely that of self-existence, but also of unchangeableness, and this unchangeableness, as the context clearly indicates (especially Exo_3:15), is here set forth not simply as belonging to the nature of God in Himself, but is brought into closest connection with His covenant relation to His people, so that the religious value of God's unchangeableness is most clearly implied in this fundamental assertion of the attribute. The same idea of God's immutability is reaffirmed in the prophecy of Isaiah. It is connected with the name Yahweh (Isa_41:4; compare also Isa_48:12), where Yahweh affirms that He is the first and, with the last, the same God, thereby asserting not merely His eternity, but also that He is the same in His divine existence throughout all ages. This attribute, moreover, is claimed by Yahweh, and set forth as an especial mark of His Godhead in Isa_44:6. The unchangeableness of the divine nature is also asserted by the prophet Malachi in a difficult passage (Mal_3:6). This is a clear affirmation of the unchangeableness of God, the only question being whether it is set forth as the ground of Israel's confidence, or in contrast with their fickleness, a question which depends partly on that of the text.
In the New Testament the thought of the passage in Exodus 3 is reiterated in the Apocalypse where God is described as He who is and was and is to come (Rev_1:4). This is an expansion of the covenant name Yahweh in Exo_3:13-15, denoting not merely eternity but also immutability. The phrases “the Alpha and the Omega” (Rev_1:8; Rev_21:6; Rev_22:13); and “the first and the last” (Rev_1:17; Rev_22:13); and “the beginning and the end” (Rev_21:6; Rev_22:13) bring out the same idea, and are applied to Christ as well as to God, which is a clear indication of our Lord's Deity. The apostle Paul likewise asserts the incorruptibility, eternity and immortality of the divine nature, all of which ideas imply the unchangeableness of God (Rom_1:23; 1Ti_1:17; 1Ti_6:16).
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The only "evolution" I can see God taking is becoming a man. But that isn't truly evolution, it's an addition of a previously unpossessed nature.
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