Biblical Facts on Divine Healing

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Timmy

If you do not go right now to the nearest hospital, go room to room and heal the sick, go to the morgue and raise the dead, then shut down this "ministry".

Despite my overall loathing of this forum, I can't help but chime in on this blithering of nonsense.

But first of all, I love the title of this section...."Deep Waters." This is about as deep as a sheet of newspaper, except for Larry's claims. I need hip-waders for that.

I would add on to shutting down the ministry and call "Fraud" if he doesn't take you up on your deal.

[Michael The Disciple]

Larry,

I am also interested in your connection with John G. Lake. I read his story early on as a believer. I did not attend any Church at that time. I had neither a Trin or Oneness view at the time.

From the witness of Pentecostal history it would seem no other minister in modern times had such a ministry in the power of God with the exception of William Branham. I was indeed thrilled hearing the testimonies.

As the years unfolded I was associated with Churches that taught divine healing. The Ceylon Pentecostal Mission taught it as a tenet of faith. They had testimonies of startling healings by Gods power. They also taught it was sin to go to doctors or take meds.

I met up with Faith Assembly led by Hobart Freeman later and was attracted to it because they baptized in Jesus name. They held the same doctrine of divine healing.

I have experienced healing from heart attack, stroke, and various afflictions. I am blessed so richly though the power of God. I cannot say I have lived up to the message of faith to the degree Lake, CPM, and Faith Assembly.

I have seen God do great miracles some of healing, some in answered prayer, some in leading of the spirit, mostly prophetic gifts.

I really think the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement is suffering greatly by accepting Evangelical teachings. It seems there is getting much less hunger and thirst for Jesus and for righteousness than there was early on in my walk.

We are "kept by the power of God through faith".

Without the power of God we will never make it. Its so sad to see the miraculous signs and wonders from Jesus being downplayed today. I know why tho. Years of false prophets and false claims have sapped the faith out of many. Instead of pressing beyond the failures and sins of men most have become bitter, discouraged and mere spectators in the things of the Kingdom.

Having said all that how is it that it seems you are a Oneness Pentecostal believer but it seems you are part of the John G. Lake Church? Have they switched to Oneness doctrine?

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Timmy

That's a "no", then.

Credibility is now zero.

Fortunately, I neither seek nor require your approval. Anyone can be a critic Timmy. Meanwhile, the rest of are taking Christ at His word and doing the stuff.

Galatians 1:10 (NASB)
10 For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

They tried to stop the Apostle from healing in His Name as well. They had a simple and straightforward reply: Acts 5:29 "But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men."

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Larry,

I am also interested in your connection with John G. Lake. I read his story early on as a believer. I did not attend any Church at that time. I had neither a Trin or Oneness view at the time.

From the witness of Pentecostal history it would seem no other minister in modern times had such a ministry in the power of God with the exception of William Branham. I was indeed thrilled hearing the testimonies.

As the years unfolded I was associated with Churches that taught divine healing. The Ceylon Pentecostal Mission taught it as a tenet of faith. They had testimonies of startling healings by Gods power. They also taught it was sin to go to doctors or take meds.

I met up with Faith Assembly led by Hobart Freeman later and was attracted to it because they baptized in Jesus name. They held the same doctrine of divine healing.

I have experienced healing from heart attack, stroke, and various afflictions. I am blessed so richly though the power of God. I cannot say I have lived up to the message of faith to the degree Lake, CPM, and Faith Assembly.

I have seen God do great miracles some of healing, some in answered prayer, some in leading of the spirit, mostly prophetic gifts.

I really think the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement is suffering greatly by accepting Evangelical teachings. It seems there is getting much less hunger and thirst for Jesus and for righteousness than there was early on in my walk.

We are "kept by the power of God through faith".

Without the power of God we will never make it. Its so sad to see the miraculous signs and wonders from Jesus being downplayed today. I know why tho. Years of false prophets and false claims have sapped the faith out of many. Instead of pressing beyond the failures and sins of men most have become bitter, discouraged and mere spectators in the things of the Kingdom.

Having said all that how is it that it seems you are a Oneness Pentecostal believer but it seems you are part of the John G. Lake Church? Have they switched to Oneness doctrine?

No, they have not switched to Oneness doctrine. However, the present Overseer of John G Lake Ministries, received the Holy Ghost in an Apostolic Church. When I approached him about bringing Dr. Lake's methods and message into the Apostolic environment, he was very open to the idea. We now collaborate in this area of ministry. We don't allow our theology to get in the way of reaching the people.

I am Licensed/Ordained with an Apostolic Organization and am on the Pastoral Ministry Staff of a local UPCI Church that is also open to the message of righteousness, authority and dominion.

I agree with you that we suffer greatly from our lack of power, which I attribute directly to our assimilation of traditions of men, many of which find their origins in evangelical teachings.

Also, it is true in the area of healing as in no other, that excess and abuse have turned many away from the truth. Again, we have our eyes on men rather than on the Word of God. The story of Lake is virtually unparallelled in our century. What makes it all the more incredible is how much of it was documented and published by the secular press of his day. Men being healed and raised from the dead would never be covered today. It's simply taboo to report on the revival that is sweeping the world. But in the early 1900's, the miracles in Lake's ministry both in Spokane and Portland, were front page news. So much so, that the Better Business Bureau undertook an extensive investigation into the claims made. The investigation not only verified the truthfulness of the claims but affirmed Lake's ministry. The BBB's closing comment was something to the effect of, "we have no desire to impede the great work being done here."

“Between 1915 and 1920, in the Healing Rooms in the Rookery Building in Spokane, Washington, there were over 100,000 documented healings which led to the city being named the 'healthiest city in the U.S.' He then established a similar work in Portland, Oregon with similar results which also attracted widespread attention.” (http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/joh...aith-and-works). He went on to have similar results in Houston and San Diego.

The important thing for us today is not some man named John G Lake, but THE man, Jesus Christ, God manifested in the flesh. It is only by His Spirit within us that any of this work is made possible. Whether it's Miracles in Action, John G Lake Ministries or any one of hundreds of similar organizations around the world, only the presence of the Holy Spirit makes anything possible.

It is all about "Christ in you. The hope of glory." We can say with Peter:
"And on the basis of faith in His name, it is the name of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all." Acts 3:16

As posted on our website and newsletter: "We desire not only to see believers live victoriously, but to help them become rooted and grounded enough in God’s Word to reach out and teach others these same principles."

Our goal is not so much to be great men and women of God as it is to reveal a great and mighty God who reveals Himself through ordinary individuals. The people who truly know their God will be strong and do great exploits (Dan. 11:32).

Thanks. I enjoyed hearing your story.

[Lafon]

The Spirit inspired James to write to advice that "...the body without the spirit is dead" (James 2:26). The "spirit" of which James notes is referring to the "breath" which gives the body life, for in the absence of this energetic 'life-giving' element man's flesh perishes.

In like manner, the absence and lack of operation of the 'life-giving' elements of the "body of Christ" (the Church), which is the "gifts of the Spirit" (of which healing is an integral element), then the Church is also dead. As a manner of speaking, the presence and active operation of the "gifts of the Spirit" (see I Corinthians 12) could be properly identified as the very "life-blood" of the Church that is present in the world today.

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Lafon

The Spirit inspired James to write to advice that "...the body without the spirit is dead" (James 2:26). The "spirit" of which James notes is referring to the "breath" which gives the body life, for in the absence of this energetic 'life-giving' element man's flesh perishes.

In like manner, the absence and lack of operation of the 'life-giving' elements of the "body of Christ" (the Church), which is the "gifts of the Spirit" (of which healing is an integral element), then the Church is also dead. As a manner of speaking, the presence and active operation of the "gifts of the Spirit" (see I Corinthians 12) could be properly identified as the very "life-blood" of the Church that is present in the world today.

Well put. We believe that God would not have called us to continue the ministry of Jesus with any less "equipment" than He had. He put His Spirit within us to give us power over the world, the flesh and the devil. The Church continues to refuse to live up to her potential. Therefore, a few brave souls have begun to look past the artificial limits accepted by most. It comes as no surprise to honest believers that we have found the Bible true and that indeed, Jesus Christ IS the SAME, yesterday, today and forever. God didn't move; we did.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

Well put. We believe that God would not have called us to continue the ministry of Jesus with any less "equipment" than He had. He put His Spirit within us to give us power over the world, the flesh and the devil. The Church continues to refuse to live up to her potential. Therefore, a few brave souls have begun to look past the artificial limits accepted by most. It comes as no surprise to honest believers that we have found the Bible true and that indeed, Jesus Christ IS the SAME, yesterday, today and forever. God didn't move; we did.

For sure!

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Despite my overall loathing of this forum, I can't help but chime in on this blithering of nonsense.

But first of all, I love the title of this section...."Deep Waters." This is about as deep as a sheet of newspaper, except for Larry's claims. I need hip-waders for that.

I would add on to shutting down the ministry and call "Fraud" if he doesn't take you up on your deal.

I am glad that you decided to "chime in." Although, I admit to being a bit puzzled by your forum name. "Old Paths" would seem to be a reference to Jeremiah 6:16, implying a belief in the Pentecostal tradition of which Divine Healing was once a hallmark. Alas, those days are gone. And yet God continues to heal in spite of the unbelief of His people.

You might want to keep those hip-waders handy! We are experiencing the fulfillment of prophecy.

Ezekiel 47--The River From the Temple
47 The man brought me back to the entrance to the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar. 2 He then brought me out through the north gate and led me around the outside to the outer gate facing east, and the water was trickling from the south side.3 As the man went eastward with a measuring line in his hand, he measured off a thousand cubits[a] and then led me through water that was ankle-deep. 4 He measured off another thousand cubits and led me through water that was knee-deep. He measured off another thousand and led me through water that was up to the waist. 5 He measured off another thousand, but now it was a river that I could not cross, because the water had risen and was deep enough to swim in—a river that no one could cross. 6 He asked me, “Son of man, do you see this?”

The healing river is flowing and the currents are becoming swifter.

I am also sadly, reminded of another prophecy, this one in: Jeremiah 6:16 (KJV)16 Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Far too many claim the Apostolic mantle, yet refuse to walk in His ways.

[jediwill83]

I guess that would be the "Having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof." Thing

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

I guess that would be the "Having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof." Thing

Indeed. We as Pentecostals are quick to apply that to denominational structures. It doesn't look too pretty hanging around our own necks.

Though often called a "healing ministry", our actual focus can be summed up as: Genuine Repentance, Genuine Life-in-Christ, and therefore Genuine Ministry.

For those who are truly interested and desire to learn more, I invite you to visit our website or the following links:

http://www.jglm.org/index.php?option...layout=default

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glmSMXr1mTI

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc....1.Eovm3JxzMUM

Only those who truly seek, will find. But, they will find.