People Don't Go To Hell Becuase Of Sin...

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"People don't go to hell because of sin. People go to hell because they reject Jesus, but when you make a decision to sin, there are always consequences in the natural for your decision to sin.

Sin will not unravel your righteousness you have by faith, but it will unravel your life."

I found this statement interesting. I've quoted the preacher verbatim. What do you guys think about this? Do you agree, disagree, want to qualify this?

I can't agree. Why try to make people see they are sinners if it is not their sins that are sending them to hell?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Ok.
I understand these statements.

So when the Bible says the mercy of the Lord endureth forever...?

Could continued sin be the tell-tale sign of rejecting Jesus?

The concept of the statement in question was the preacher chiding "church folks" for driving sinners away from the hope of salvation with their words, attitudes, and actions.

Same preacher, same sermon-- "... Let the Holy Ghost work in their lives. GOD KNOWS how to get the [new] Christian out of the clubs..."

People were sinning before Jesus was born. People were sinning before they heard the name "Jesus".

2Ti 4:1 Therefore I solemnly witness before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to judge the living and the dead according to His appearance and His kingdom,
2Ti 4:2 preach the Word, be instant in season and out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine, but they will heap up teachers to themselves according to their own lusts, tickling the ear.
2Ti 4:4 And they will turn away their ears from the truth and will be turned to myths.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Luke

Then why did Jesus say go and sin no more?

Do not sin on purpose. Be holy.
And if you fall by accident repent.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Cindy

So if the soul dies why does it go to hell?

double-yikes.

Originally Posted by Originalist

I can't agree. Why try to make people see they are sinners if it is not their sins that are sending them to hell?

Um, who told you that that was your job?

Originally Posted by Timmy

[bbyrd009]

So, 'hell' has now been conclusively found, has it? You might take the preacher by his meaning here, and not parse to death his words. Your sins are forgiven; ergo, you will not go to hell because of them. Neither will the 'unsaved,' which you cannot define, either.

Wadr, you all might look at how steeped in the doctrine of Original Sin you have become, and stop supposing that you are qualified to...help. judge, lord-it-over; whatever, anyone else.

You might try approaching the next stranger you meet as though you had something to learn from them (you do; which is why God put them there); and see what happens!

Cyn, I know your Q was rhetorical, I was agreeing with you--I hope.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

People were sinning before Jesus was born. People were sinning before they heard the name "Jesus".

2Ti 4:1 Therefore I solemnly witness before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to judge the living and the dead according to His appearance and His kingdom,
2Ti 4:2 preach the Word, be instant in season and out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine, but they will heap up teachers to themselves according to their own lusts, tickling the ear.
2Ti 4:4 And they will turn away their ears from the truth and will be turned to myths.

Please tie your point and your scripture into the context of this thread in a clearer fashion, please- for my sake if no one else.

[Jermyn Davidson]

So when the "old saints" would say to the discouraged non-overcoming Christian stuff like, "Just keep coming. Don't let the devil take you out of the church. Ride the altar to Glory! Just keep coming back to Jesus," were they mistaken?

Did that non-overcoming Christian have no hope of salvation in that current state of non-overcoming?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Could continued sin be the tell-tale sign of rejecting Jesus?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

People were sinning before Jesus was born. People were sinning before they heard the name "Jesus".

That answers that..the answer is no. People sinning is the result of what Adam and Eve did.

2Ti 4:1 Therefore I solemnly witness before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to judge the living and the dead according to His appearance and His kingdom,
2Ti 4:2 preach the Word, be instant in season and out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine, but they will heap up teachers to themselves according to their own lusts, tickling the ear.
2Ti 4:4 And they will turn away their ears from the truth and will be turned to myths.

Paul doesn't say just let the Spirit deal with people. He says to preach the word

[bbyrd009]

...which, trust me, most people are just not open to hearing.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

double-yikes.

Um, who told you that that was your job?

Paul often used the Law to "stop every mouth and make the whole world guilty before God" because "by the Law comes the knowledge of sin". Of course, we are referring to the unsaved.