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Originally Posted by Esaias
It seems people are getting God's love confused with conditions for salvation (and election).
I also see some are flirting with Calvin/Augustine in their understanding of Romans 9.
I see a new thread coming... lol
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I never flirt with men. Paul got his understanding from Christ. He would have not dared speak his own thoughts.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44
65 And he said , Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back , and walked no more with him. 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve , Will ye also go away ? John 6:65
I have never read anything by Augustine. I think I tried to read Calvin once for about 10 minutes.
The words of Christ are spirit and they are life. I read them daily and he blesses!