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07-28-2013, 06:56 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
I have in the past because I'm a musician. I'm not currently because I am not needed in music, but if I was needed in music again I would.
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If you wanted to, say, sing in the choir but in order to do that, you have to adhere to ALL the standards, would you?
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07-28-2013, 07:00 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
My Pastor see's the platform as the highest calling in the church. To be a part of the platform you have to follow the articles of faith because that's the org we belong to. I don't agree, but don't have a problem with having platform rules either.
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Why? I can understand a 'platform standard' on how someone should be dressed when on the platform, but does that standard continue at home if you are in 'platform ministries'? If so, why?
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07-29-2013, 07:14 AM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
Mirth,
I pray the Lord will direct you and your family in His perfect will. There are so many voices and so many opinions - but your soul, and your relationship with Jesus is what matters in this area - not what any one may think or feel.
While I do not agree on every point - I am still a member of a UPCI church and have been in the org. for about 20yrs now. I have tried other churches that are affiliated with other organizations and they did not fit. We all need to search out the will of God and work out our own salvation - I believe He will give peace with a decision that is in His will and plan.
I believe all churches have platform standards to some degree and I suppose if we are willing to accept the privilege of leadership - then we also must accept the limitations as well. I still believe there is no substitute for prayer and fasting and being in the Word and opened fully to the Holy Ghost.
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07-29-2013, 07:48 AM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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Mirth,
I pray the Lord will direct you and your family in His perfect will. There are so many voices and so many opinions - but your soul, and your relationship with Jesus is what matters in this area - not what any one may think or feel.
While I do not agree on every point - I am still a member of a UPCI church and have been in the org. for about 20yrs now. I have tried other churches that are affiliated with other organizations and they did not fit. We all need to search out the will of God and work out our own salvation - I believe He will give peace with a decision that is in His will and plan.
I believe all churches have platform standards to some degree and I suppose if we are willing to accept the privilege of leadership - then we also must accept the limitations as well. I still believe there is no substitute for prayer and fasting and being in the Word and opened fully to the Holy Ghost.
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07-29-2013, 03:44 PM
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Jerry Moon
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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She felt holy enough to return.
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Looked holy enough....
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07-29-2013, 03:48 PM
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Jerry Moon
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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Originally Posted by Renee29
My Pastor see's the platform as the highest calling in the church. To be a part of the platform you have to follow the articles of faith because that's the org we belong to. I don't agree, but don't have a problem with having platform rules either.
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Does he have a scripture for that? After all the people are the church, not the building.
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07-29-2013, 07:16 PM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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Looked holy enough....
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It's all in the conditioning.
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07-29-2013, 08:06 PM
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Yeshua is God
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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Originally Posted by Renee29
My Pastor see's the platform as the highest calling in the church. To be a part of the platform you have to follow the articles of faith because that's the org we belong to. I don't agree, but don't have a problem with having platform rules either.
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The problem is not with rules, I put plenty of rules in the church we had, I wanted to keep everything properly and in order. but I never once equated my rules with salvation. I was clear from the beginning that the rules were to keep things proper and in order and had nothing to do with salvation.
In our church there was no threating people with hell because they broke our church rules.
No one would dare to come to our church dressed like a bum or chew gum in our church, but there were no sermons sending people to hell because they chewed gum or didn't wear your best to the service.
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07-29-2013, 08:09 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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My Pastor see's the platform as the highest calling in the church.
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This is a scary statement. If the platform is the "highest calling in the church" then I feel sorry for that church.
I don't see the platform as any kind of "calling". Maybe I am just not understanding old time Pentecostal thinking in this area.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-29-2013, 08:18 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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This is a scary statement. If the platform is the "highest calling in the church" then I feel sorry for that church.
I don't see the platform as any kind of "calling". Maybe I am just not understanding old time Pentecostal thinking in this area.
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Every time I watch a webcast or podcast of a UPC service, especially from the Texas District, I see all the PASTORS watching from their thrones on high behind the main speaker -on the platform, nodding in agreement on que at every poignant statement the speaker makes. Yes, the platform is a very special place. Every UPC man wants to be there and every UPC woman wants to be married to a man who is there.
It makes me gag.
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