If you do not see how a church turning into a cult is a bad thing... Keep drinking the Kool Aid...
Churches certainly can turn into a cult. I know of one first hand. Posted about it on FCF before the offending pastor died. I lived right next door to the perp. (Yea I called him a Perp).
Sad story lots of good folk got seriously hurt.
It happens and more people ought to stand up to idoits when they act like idiots.
Pastors while not Lords over Gods herritage, are certainly placed as Angles by God to protect the flock. Sometimes that includes using scripture for reproof in righteousness.
if my comments were uncalled for, then the bible is uncalled for because all I did was quote scripture.
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Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
1 Cor 11:1-2
1Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you.
Eph 4:11-12
11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
2 Tim 3:16-17
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Yea I say unto thee! Paul was just a mean jerk preacher telling people what to do!
1 Cor 6:18-20
18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
good grief.
Paul is giving general teaching to the church, that applies across the board to all members.
The ministers job is to guide the church.
the parents job is to guide their children.
different job assignments.
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**Original Matthew 28:19 Restored**
Why would a person need a preacher to set the rules laid out and be kept in check? isn't that what parents are there for, if parents needs the preacher to do that then the parents have failed in their mission in raising their children.
When I was in the Military I learned a valuable lesson, the drill sergeant can force you to be disciplined but it is only outward disciple, likewise a preacher can cajole people into discipline, however the moment the preacher is not there the discipline disappears, real discipline is internal.
The only real discipline is self-discipline. The preacher is not going to be there when they are walking by a bar, or passing thru the liquor store.
My father was involved in a standoff & is no longer around, so the parent thing is out, grandparents all too their lives. I dont want/expect the pastor to call me out on issues, but to teach us good discipline & discipline in separation of the world. I/we need this
Pretty much all the Churches I know of are what the Apostles would consider "cults". If we vary at any point to the teaching of Christ we are being "cultic" to that degree.
I got the truth of Oneness and Acts 2:38 from UPC people. That was so amazing! Although it was in 1979 or 1980 Im still thrilled about it.
Having visited a UPC Church back in those days and recently even attempted to attend one I cannot bear so much unscriptural teaching. The small things of course like no beards and sin for women to trim but even foundationally they are usually pre trib, immortal soul,making it hard to fellowship with them at several levels.
Of course all the Oneness orgs are pretty much the same.
Paul is giving general teaching to the church, that applies across the board to all members.
The ministers job is to guide the church.
the parents job is to guide their children.
different job assignments.
blather. Paul clearly takes some folk to the woodshed in the epistles.
He does it in love and he gives no excuse to goof balls posing as pastors who want to overplay their hand and go beyond scripture to control every facit of peoples lives.
but there is a clear charge to Pastors to use scripture to deal with sin in a straight forward manner.
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