If you want to keep saying "But you are wrong" and "so get a life, grow up and start reading for comprehension" you are free to do so.
After all I am kind of used to this behavior from UPC members, I am very kind and nice to the UPC folk even though most of them are usually dismissive of me and are mean to me.
And I would submit to you that if you are indeed "used" to such comments, it might have less to do with the UPCI, and more to do with your own condesending attitude.
just sayin'.
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Im not sure who you are "hearing" but it sure aint me.
and I am very happy you have found your place. Home Church is awsome. I have recomended such to folk here who lamented an inability to find a place to fit...
I was responding the the OP Ferd... It is his thread afterall
You suggested home church to me way back and while I kind of resisted it at the time it turned out to be just right for us.
I definately feel what Randy is saying about the UPCI being more cultish back in the day... Now with the internet and groups like this I just don't think they can keep their hold on people the way they once did. However, there are still places where it is common (I live in one) to see some preachers hold their congregation virtual hostage with mind control techniques. Hopefully many more churches will find change and become more Christ centered and less pastor centered.
I personally just don't see that an org. that is the keeper of the truth could or would produce such rotten fruit... For me it feels the same as the RCC, another org. I put behind me and have not looked back at.
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So, we're newbies. We have come to absolutely LOVE our UPCI Church, it's been over 3months, and although we have found some common issues noted by many... no Church is perfect, but this is the closest we've ever known!
Glad you are happy!
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So why the battle of comments I see against the UPC?
Many people were members of a UPC church but came to dislike the standards of dress and lifestyle. Many people have wounds and hurts. Some haven't gotten over them. Some have. The UPC has brought a lot of criticism down on itself, but a lot of criticism directed at it is also the same type of criticism most modern people would direct at any church that tried to have some kind of standards.
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If you have another org, what is it and what makes it so different?
I don't belong to any 'organization' in the sense you are referring. I do not believe the Church is a 501(c)3 non profit corporation. I do not believe any corporation can be the church. And most 'institutional churches' whether they are incorporated or not do not follow apostolic (Biblical) patterns of church government, discipline, and order, nor do they follow apostolic customs/traditions (as referenced by the apostle Paul), nor do they teach the fullness of apostolic doctrine (the entire Bible).
And quite honestly (just my opinion here) I think most of them are money-making enterprises, or 'wanna be money making' enterprises. But then maybe I'm just jaded.
We were with a house church for awhile but moved away and the others moved away and so we are stuck with home church for now, which is fine, it's how they did it from Adam to Sinai.
I never had a problem with 'cult-like' behaviour with the UPC or ALJC or Independent assemblies I have been involved with, although many here would call them cults.
To me, a 'dangerous cult' is a group that uses actual force to control you - like Jim Jones' group or how the Roman Catholic Church and Lutheran churches and other Protestant churches used to do business...
I was responding the the OP Ferd... It is his thread afterall
You suggested home church to me way back and while I kind of resisted it at the time it turned out to be just right for us.
I definately feel what Randy is saying about the UPCI being more cultish back in the day... Now with the internet and groups like this I just don't think they can keep their hold on people the way they once did. However, there are still places where it is common (I live in one) to see some preachers hold their congregation virtual hostage with mind control techniques. Hopefully many more churches will find change and become more Christ centered and less pastor centered.
I personally just don't see that an org. that is the keeper of the truth could or would produce such rotten fruit... For me it feels the same as the RCC, another org. I put behind me and have not looked back at.
working from Ferds theory of forums.... we are all narcisist... hee hee...
I clearly was being a bit narcisistic! Im sorry about that...
And I think it is awsome that you guys are finding a place in Home Church!
we disagree about the UPCI. I agree there are pockets of stupidity. but as a body the UPCI on balance does way more good than bad. I pray for and work for more good and less bad....from the inside...
be blessed...Seriously I am very glad to hear you guys are doing home church and I hope and pray it works well, is blessed and turns into a real reaching of those around you!
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Many people were members of a UPC church but came to dislike the standards of dress and lifestyle. Many people have wounds and hurts. Some haven't gotten over them. Some have. The UPC has brought a lot of criticism down on itself, but a lot of criticism directed at it is also the same type of criticism most modern people would direct at any church that tried to have some kind of standards.
^^^ THis I've noticed a lot of, but not in all cases. THanks for the reply
What I am hearing you say is that the UPCI is controlling and you desire and appreciate that as it fills a need in your life and helps you to accomplish things that you believe you are failing at on your own. I think that is reasonable and that perhaps many of us at one time or another may have used the standards of the UPCI for that whether consciously or not.
We have made every attempt to become more God-reliant and less self reliant or church reliant. That is now what is working for us but we've come through many things on our way here.
Stay prayerful and press on where God leads you. Never sear your conscience to stay with ANY group or org. and you should be fine.
For us personally, home-church seem to be working really well right now but we are always open to God's leading.
Sorry for not replying to you comment, things get lost.
YES to what is in bold! But that is what the Church is for. I'm not saying there are not others that don't do the same via another means, but this works for us sooooooooooooooo much!
working from Ferds theory of forums.... we are all narcisist... hee hee...
I clearly was being a bit narcisistic! Im sorry about that...
And I think it is awsome that you guys are finding a place in Home Church!
we disagree about the UPCI. I agree there are pockets of stupidity. but as a body the UPCI on balance does way more good than bad. I pray for and work for more good and less bad....from the inside...
be blessed...Seriously I am very glad to hear you guys are doing home church and I hope and pray it works well, is blessed and turns into a real reaching of those around you!
Thanks Ferd. We have really seen some wonderful blessings. I truly hope you are able to make a difference from the inside out.
And I would submit to you that if you are indeed "used" to such comments, it might have less to do with the UPCI, and more to do with your own condesending attitude.
just sayin'.
In your opinion I might have a condescending attitude, but I accept my oneness brethren regardless of whether they are UPCI or from other organizations.
While most of the UPCI members reject anyone who is not a UPCI member, a very exclusivist attitude.
so you tell me which is worst?
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In your opinion I might have a condescending attitude, but I accept my oneness brethren regardless of whether they are UPCI or from other organizations.
While most of the UPCI members reject anyone who is not a UPCI member, a very exclusivist attitude.
so you tell me which is worst?
just walk away bro. holding onto the grudge only hurts you.
You know something funny? I have on serveral occasions reached out to friends who have left the UPCI. Preacher friends.... and I am thinking of a good half dozen such situations where I was completly rejected. so, my experience is those who have left dont want anyone to even talk to them.
I dont hold that against everyone who has left.... I dont even hold it against those spicific people.
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Roman Catholic (strong family ties) and Church of God in Christ ( in the US when we can find one in our area)~
Very tired of the UPC/Apostolic judgmental dress standards and the way mixed families are perceived.
Seriously? Where do you find these churches ?
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In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
Re: For those not for the UPCI, what org and why?
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