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n david · #71 08-20-2013, 09:31 AM

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It's also not the government's responsibility nor it's right to tell anyone whether or not they can or cannot have counseling. That is more troubling to me than addressing the issue of whether a gay person can change or not.

I agree.

Not sure what to think of these "conversion" groups. I've heard allegations which, if true, border on torture and brainwashing. Electra-shock therapy; beating effigies of their mothers with bats; and other tactics.

Pressing-On · #72 08-20-2013, 11:38 AM

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I agree.

Not sure what to think of these "conversion" groups. I've heard allegations which, if true, border on torture and brainwashing. Electra-shock therapy; beating effigies of their mothers with bats; and other tactics.

I view that as a good or bad situation. I've been in and around some bad leadership and churches in my life, but not all have been bad. I've come out of a bad situation where a good church environment helped the healing process. I think you would find that same scenario with various counselors. One could hurt you, but another could heal.

So, I think, you could find an excellent counselor and you could find a bad one. It's a lot of like a chiropractor, a lawyer, a dentist, a general practitioner, a mechanic, etc.

At the end of the day, the Government needs to not interfere. If I don't want to wear a seat belt, I shouldn't have to do that. If I don't want to wear a motorcycle helmet, I shouldn't have to. But, the horse is out of the gate and it would take some VERY strong, honest, principled leadership to bridle that horse and get it back into the pen. I have my doubts that will ever happen in this country. If I see some improvement in our education system, I may change my mind.

MarieA27 · #73 08-20-2013, 02:43 PM

Hmm..I don't know. .. Do the government have a right to take your child away from you, if you're an abusive parent, that continually traumatizes mentally and physically, and severely beats your child? Do they have a right to stop you from putting your child through a system that may in some ways do the same? Should they not outlaw it for the chance that it has a potential to not be as bad as it's reputation?

I don't know, just asking questions. ..

MarieA27 · #74 08-20-2013, 02:51 PM

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I don't really know. I am remembering a friend who worked with a person who was gay. The conversation was about change and deliverance. She told me the gay person didn't know he could be delivered. He told her that his therapist stated that when you are "born" that way, it is what it is.

If the Bible calls homosexuality an abomination and says that the only sin you cannot be forgiven of is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, I would have to say that a person could change.

It's also not the government's responsibility nor it's right to tell anyone whether or not they can or cannot have counseling. That is more troubling to me than addressing the issue of whether a gay person can change or not.

Well you can be changed through God, but that's not what I was asking. The only true help and deliverance from this sin is God, but it is my understanding that they're trying to heal them through natural means, often drastic, apart from God. And also, it's my belief that same sex temptation is not the sin, but the actions, whether it be in deeds, words, meditation of this, giving in to your temptations, that is the sin.

Pressing-On · #75 08-20-2013, 03:13 PM

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Well you can be changed through God, but that's not what I was asking. The only true help and deliverance from this sin is God, but it is my understanding that they're trying to heal them through natural means, often drastic, apart from God. And also, it's my belief that same sex temptation is not the sin, but the actions, whether it be in deeds, words, meditation of this, giving in to your temptations, that is the sin.

I'm not sure that every counselor is using drastic means apart from God. I know Christian counselors who wouldn't use those types of methods. Other than that, I haven't studied it out.

Pressing-On · #76 08-24-2013, 01:37 PM

Perhaps Mike Pence. He sure is staying under the radar for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj-Y3OeboFU

Pressing-On · #77 09-11-2013, 07:25 AM

Pence and The Revolution: Five reasons he might be the 2016 dark horse to watch

So why isn’t Indiana Gov. Mike Pence generating the kind of buzz worthy of a top-tier candidate?

Probably because while his opponents have been show horses, he’s been a work horse. And that makes him a dark horse.

Here are five reasons why we should take Pence’s chances very seriously:

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/10/pe...#ixzz2eaf0zPRD

Pressing-On · #78 09-12-2013, 12:46 PM

Ted Cruz - Lining out his view on Foreign policy.

Sen. Cruz At Heritage: When America Doesn't Lead, The World Is A More Dangerous Place

U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) speaks at the Heritage Foundation's 4th Annual Jesse Helms Lecture Series where he outlines three simple principles by which U.S. foreign policy should be guided.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5XNorfVgjM#t=938

Pressing-On · #79 09-18-2013, 01:55 PM

Rand says that they reveal his "secret weapon". Can you find it in this article?

Could Republican Senator Rand Paul Win the White House?
http://www.vogue.com/magazine/articl...918_12038054#1

n david · #80 09-18-2013, 02:08 PM

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Rand says that they reveal his "secret weapon". Can you find it in this article?

Could Republican Senator Rand Paul Win the White House?
http://www.vogue.com/magazine/articl...918_12038054#1

Well, right under the picture of him and his son is the caption:

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Tough talk and fearless politics have made Senator Rand Paul a leader in the Republican Party. Could he—and his charming, secret-weapon wife, Kelley—win the White House?