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Originally Posted by Esaias
Now your back to that 'Christian domestic discipline' thing again lol.
A qualification for an elder is that he 'rule his house well', otherwise he cannot be expected to 'rule the house of God'.
So then anyone in oversight of the local church must have a demonstrated track record of effective leadership in his own home. If a man wants to lead, he has to start with himself and his immediate family. He has to learn how to get Honey to properly submit - willingly. And that does not always require 'the rod', it more often than not requires an ability to persuade using both positive and negative motivations. It also requires a lot of prayer and self deiscipline, leading by example, etc.
A supervisor is not expected to literally BEAT his subordinates into submission. A father, while it may be necessary to spank a child, should be able to progress rather quickly beyond the rod and into other, more mature forms of motivation and persuasion. Leaders responsible for managing people must learn how and must be skilled in the ability of getting people to willingly agree to follow your leadership. Leadership 101.
Also, people have GOT to get back to an understanding of marriage and proper roles. We must teach our children these things, and model these things for them in our own lives, because nobody else (for the most part) is going to do it.
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I agree to a lot of what you're saying.
I want to consider something though... it's only been within the past century that a more liberal notion of male authority has come into the home and church. 300 hundred years ago... a man would have been expected to "straighten" his wife or children out. And it was something shameful if he didn't. Even some black and white classic movies show men slapping their frantic and irrational wives. Today... that would be a major no no.
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