Do you have to support Israel no matter what? - Page 4

seekerman · #31 10-11-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MarcBee

Israel is to be supported because they try to protect civil liberties, unlike the Arab mindset of their neighbors. Israel is a defacto secular nation, unlike their neighbors. It should be all about protecting freedom, and not religion. Your biblical interpretations are only that--interpretations.

Exactly. I agree!

Disciple4life · #32 10-11-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

I guess I missed where America's youth were sent to fight in the 6 day war, or any other Israeli war for that matter. When did this happen?

I never claimed that American youth were sent to fight their wars.
What I said was

Send Israel a check. Join the Israel army. Move there and pay taxes to support the cause. Just don't ask me to support them by using my tax dollars and sending Americas youth to fight their wars.

If you say that you want to support Israel then it appears that you are not opposed to support them with military action. I am opposed to helping Israel in the future with American troops.

Anytime we send a country money or weapons we are helping them fight their war.

Esaias · #33 10-11-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MarcBee

Israel is a defacto secular nation...

You mean like the former governments of Egypt, Libya, Iraq, and the current government of Syria?

Esaias · #34 10-11-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

Is modern day Israel really a nation, and a people, established by God? If so, God has established an antichrist nation-people, a view which I have trouble accepting.

1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

God raised up Nebuchadnezzar, too.

Disciple4life · #35 10-11-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

God raised up Nebuchadnezzar, too.

houston · #36 10-11-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

God raised up Nebuchadnezzar, too.

and Obama...

n david · #37 10-11-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Disciple4life

I never claimed that American youth were sent to fight their wars.

You did too! Look at the part in bold...

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Originally Posted by Disciple4life

So if people want to support Israel then do it with your own money and blood.
Send Israel a check. Join the Israel army. Move there and pay taxes to support the cause. Just don't ask me to support them by using my tax dollars and sending Americas youth to fight their wars.

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Just don't ask me to support them by using my tax dollars and sending Americas youth to fight their wars

You said it.

And even with your "I didn't write what I wrote" claim you made the same kind of statement...

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Originally Posted by Disciple4life

I am opposed to helping Israel in the future with American troops.

My question, again, when were America's soldiers ever sent to fight an Israeli war? Name just one Israeli war (6 day War, Yom Kippur War, '82 Lebanon War) where the US sent troops to fight for Israel.

Disciple4life · #38 10-11-2013, 09:25 AM

I thought we were supposed to spread the Gospel, not democracy.
If Jesus wanted to conquer, he could have brought down a army of angels to kill anyone who opposed him.This was the same false assumption that the disciples originally had. They wanted a conquering King that would kill all of their enemies.

Disciple4life · #39 10-11-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

You did too! Look at the part in bold...

You said it.

My question, again, when were America's youth ever sent to fight an Israeli war? Name just one Israeli war (6 day War, Yom Kippur War, '82 Lebanon War) where the US sent troops to fight for Israel.

I was speaking of it happening in the future. Which is what some people want.

I am not going to get into an English debate. But I did not use the word "when".

I did not say "when we sent troops".

Disciple4life · #40 10-11-2013, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

You did too! Look at the part in bold...

You said it.

And even with your "I didn't write what I wrote" claim you made the same kind of statement...

My question, again, when were America's soldiers ever sent to fight an Israeli war? Name just one Israeli war (6 day War, Yom Kippur War, '82 Lebanon War) where the US sent troops to fight for Israel.

But we have sent them money and weapons. We have helped them. We are helping them right now.