Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC - Page 45

tv1a · #**441** 11-11-2013, 03:51 PM

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Tv1a has been channeling my energy...

Barb · #**442** 11-11-2013, 04:54 PM

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What I'm curious about is whether or not the doctors, lawyers, and politicians have entered your church as new converts more recently (say within the last < 10 years), or whether or not they were a part of the church 15, 20, or more years ago.

I've been a member of this church about 5 years or so, so I can't answer your question...sorry.

I would guess they've been there a long time...

Barb · #**443** 11-11-2013, 05:08 PM

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Name dropping doesn't intimidate me. I have charter status with FCF. Doesn't mean squat. You're the one who gets all emotional, gets a few sympathy posts and the issue is avoided.

No reasonable person with knowledge of the UPCI will agree the organization is a principled group. They won't tell the truth about their numbers. You are not the fastest growing oneness organization if your the members numbers have remained leveled and decreased. Global is the fastest growing organizations.

There is not freedom legalism is substituted for grace.
I guess to some people, bovine excrement tastes like steak.

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The UPCI "mega" churches have seen serious declines. Some show roughly 30% or more in attrition. Many UPCI churches can't keep most of their people more than 18 - 24 months.

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Upci defenders are probably the first people to scream and shout amen whe the preachers trashes people who leave the mother ship. Everyone who leaves lost thee standards, going to hell because they cut their hair.

Those people have the nerve not to take what thu dish out. It would be funny if it weren't true.

I wasn't "name dropping" but making a point of reference.

I am NOT a defender of the UPCI...our church is not even UPCI affiliated.

I took offense at your posts because you seem to label everyone who holds to these principles as being in bondage or a farm animal.

I would NOT scream and shout at someone who trashed someone for leaving the UPCI...my post "name dropping" already displayed that.

Your generalization re the so called "mega churches" in the org is just that...generalizing. No proof...

I did not intend to start a "drama," but to address your posts. Sorry if my standing up for what I believe in is disrupting your rant.

Have at it...I will not read or respond any further...and I am NOT seeking "sympathy posts." We just cannot reach a place of disagreeing without being disagreeable, so let's let it go.

The last word will be yours...too bad folks can't have decent discussion, as we did in days gone by. Oh well...

Rudy · #**444** 11-11-2013, 05:53 PM

It's evident that there are abuses in these orgs. Not everyone is cut out for them. Anywhere human beings are put in positions of authority there will be some level of abuse. The early church it seems was overseen by a plurality of elders. This may have kept some form of checks and balances to limit abuse.

There are good and sincere people in the UPCI. The biggest problem I see is the overseers not responding to the problems that arise in these churches.

The neglect and concern of individuals that need support is almost absent. Forced tithing at the expense of the needy and making it a requirement for salvation must be addressed. If not the exodus will increase. Alternative meeting places must be established for those cast aside.

The role of Pastor has been distorted resembling a mini-pope.

tv1a · #**445** 11-11-2013, 06:18 PM

I have to say this again. There is a difference between personal convictions and corporate mandates convictions for inclusion. UPCI and legalists have difficulty separating the two.

My post was about the corporate culture of the UPCI. A culture that is 50 years in the making. The point is if one identifies with a judgmental self righteous character assassinating culture, you have to live with the results. Pigs hang out with pigs. Unless you have an unhealthy fascination with spiders. That's another freaky story we won't cover here.

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Originally Posted by Barb

I wasn't "name dropping" but making a point of reference.

I am NOT a defender of the UPCI...our church is not even UPCI affiliated.

I took offense at your posts because you seem to label everyone who holds to these principles as being in bondage or a farm animal.

I would NOT scream and shout at someone who trashed someone for leaving the UPCI...my post "name dropping" already displayed that.

Your generalization re the so called "mega churches" in the org is just that...generalizing. No proof...

I did not intend to start a "drama," but to address your posts. Sorry if my standing up for what I believe in is disrupting your rant.

Have at it...I will not read or respond any further...and I am NOT seeking "sympathy posts." We just cannot reach a place of disagreeing without being disagreeable, so let's let it go.

The last word will be yours...too bad folks can't have decent discussion, as we did in days gone by. Oh well...

tv1a · #**446** 11-11-2013, 06:20 PM

I'd like to note this is not the first time Barb has taken a post out of context.

The point is the culture she is defending is a culture of bondage and judgmentalism. That's the nature of the beast. Jesus had to deal with self righteous people and their "cookie cutter" approach to living for God.

I won't take the time to analyze her "principles" because 1. If she has legalistic leanings, principles are a joke. Selective application of principles does not make one holy. Number 2 she has a right to live by "principles".

tv1a · #**447** 11-11-2013, 06:32 PM

Forced tithing is the least of the UPCI problems. Can't expect an organization to use cult like tactics and experience growth.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

It's evident that there are abuses in these orgs. Not everyone is cut out for them. Anywhere human beings are put in positions of authority there will be some level of abuse. The early church it seems was overseen by a plurality of elders. This may have kept some form of checks and balances to limit abuse.

There are good and sincere people in the UPCI. The biggest problem I see is the overseers not responding to the problems that arise in these churches.

The neglect and concern of individuals that need support is almost absent. Forced tithing at the expense of the needy and making it a requirement for salvation must be addressed. If not the exodus will increase. Alternative meeting places must be established for those cast aside.

The role of Pastor has been distorted resembling a mini-pope.

tv1a · #**448** 11-11-2013, 06:37 PM

Want proof? Check the attendance @ the mega UPCI churches. They peaked in the late 1980s early 1990s. Sure the organization raided other oneness organizations. Bribed pastors with "elected" positions. You don't say you are the fastest growing organization when the USA totals by their numbers are around 800,000. You may claim the largest oneness organization because of a 50 year had start. You can't claim you are growing unless you count negative growth.