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11-12-2013, 10:48 AM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Sadly I agree. Many pastors lack the burden or appitude. Some of this is because many times regardless what they do they are not appreciated thus they become cynical and distant. Others are just aloof and arogant and will pay for it in time. But a true shepherd has a servant's heart they love the flock they don't have to take time the saints are their time.
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I agree with this completely! (And lightening strikes the earth!!)
So, sadly there are people who come into the church looking for direction (that's why they come into the church in the first place....if they had no need they would not be looking) and then the pastor preaches that the church is where they need to be and that their needs will be met here. Then, sometimes those needs are not met and confusion for the saint sets in especially when the pastor begins to blame them for their own needs not getting met. Very confusing situation.
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11-12-2013, 12:11 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
The role of the five fold ministry is to produce mature saints. Mature saints aren't blind sheep. Mature saints are able to fulfill the great commission.
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Originally Posted by n david
This isn't directed at either of you. You both mentioned Pastors as mentors and I have a question about that.
Is it really the responsibility, duty, or role of a Pastor to be a mentor? And what exactly is the role of a Pastor? Other than being the punching bag or person we blame if things don't work out the way we think they should.
IMO, it'd be good for a Pastor to either directly mentor others, or have a board of church elders who can do this, but it's not required as part of their role or duty.
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11-12-2013, 01:24 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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Originally Posted by tv1a
The role of the five fold ministry is to produce mature saints. Mature saints aren't blind sheep. Mature saints are able to fulfill the great commission.
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I understand that. Producing mature saints is not mentoring. Maturity comes through teaching, discipleship, instruction, a personal relationship with God, etc.
Mentoring is more the act of a Pastor taking someone who wishes to be involved in the ministry, and giving them personal instruction.
Again, it's something good to do, but I don't see where it's required that a Pastor mentor someone. That's why I don't understand people who are upset or disappointed that they weren't mentored.
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11-12-2013, 01:40 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
Everyone has a problem with money, not just the so called "laity" nor the so called "Ministry".
You both war about it
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11-12-2013, 01:51 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
The church board is looking for a new pastor and discussing his qualifications.
One brother says "we want a scholarly pastor" and another says we want a pastor that is energetic" and another says "we want a pastor that is humble".
From the back of the room an old man says "don't worry about an humble pastor, this bunch will keep him humble".
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11-12-2013, 01:54 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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Originally Posted by Abiding Now
The church board is looking for a new pastor and discussing his qualifications.
One brother says "we want a scholarly pastor" and another says we want a pastor that is energetic" and another says "we want a pastor that is humble".
From the back of the room an old man says "don't worry about an humble pastor, this bunch will keep him humble".
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11-12-2013, 01:54 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
No mention of discipleship?
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11-12-2013, 01:56 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
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Originally Posted by Esaias
No mention of discipleship?
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Naw, most folks think of the preacher like a hood ornament on a 57 Pontiac. Looks nice, but really useless.
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11-12-2013, 02:37 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
CHRIST said to make disciples. He trained 12 guys 3 1/2 years and cut them loose. You train people to think like Jesus then to act like Jesus.
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Originally Posted by n david
I understand that. Producing mature saints is not mentoring. Maturity comes through teaching, discipleship, instruction, a personal relationship with God, etc.
Mentoring is more the act of a Pastor taking someone who wishes to be involved in the ministry, and giving them personal instruction.
Again, it's something good to do, but I don't see where it's required that a Pastor mentor someone. That's why I don't understand people who are upset or disappointed that they weren't mentored.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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11-12-2013, 02:52 PM
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Re: We are officially a family without a church
I see I should have asked what people's definition of mentoring is first. I'm especially interested in Originalist's definition, since he was disappointed with the lack of it by his Pastor.
Surely, Originalist doesn't define mentoring as how tv1a has described it; which really is basic discipleship. I have a feeling he meant something more involved than just discipleship.
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