Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 11-17-2013, 03:50 PM
Praxeas's Avatar
Praxeas Praxeas is offline
Go Dodgers!


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 45,794
Re: What kind of pastor is this?

Control freaks are often perfectionists[3] defending themselves against their own inner vulnerabilities in the belief that if they are not in total control they risk exposing themselves once more to childhood angst.[4] Such persons manipulate and pressure others to change so as to avoid having to change themselves,[5] and use power over others to escape an inner emptiness.[6] When a control freak's pattern is broken, “the Controller is left with a terrible feeling of powerlessness … But feeling their pain and fear brings them back to themselves”.[7]

Control freaks appear to have some similarities to codependents, in the sense that the latters' fear of abandonment leads to attempts to control those they are dependent on.[8] Recovery for them entails recognising that being a control freak helped paradoxically preserve codependency itself.[9]

In terms of personality-type theory, control freaks are very much the Type A personality, driven by the need to dominate and control.[10] An obsessive need to control others is also associated with antisocial personality disorder.[11]
Wikipedia
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:


  1. There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
  2. The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
  3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  5. That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
  6. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 11-17-2013, 03:51 PM
Praxeas's Avatar
Praxeas Praxeas is offline
Go Dodgers!


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 45,794
Re: What kind of pastor is this?

What are some of the signs a pastor is a control freak?

First, control freaks use guilt. My wife and I recently visited a church where the music leader gave a talk before the offering. He told the people how much he loved the church but then chided them for not being as committed as he was, exclaiming, “Shame on you!” Translation: there’s something wrong with you if you’re not as committed as I am.
Then the pastor told us that he’s tired of reading how millions of people are leaving local churches, saying that it made him mad! Translation: if you ever leave this church, I’m going to get really ticked off at you.
While guilting works with a small segment of the Christian population, it rarely works with most people. When the Spirit of God convicts us – especially through God’s Word – we feel true guilt. But when someone is trying to push their personal preferences onto us, most of us see through it.

Leaders – including pastors – must appeal to higher instincts instead.

Second,
control freaks use manipulation. I once saw a televangelist do some fundraising inside an auditorium. He told the congregation to stand up, so they all stood. He then said, “Listen to the man of God!” He told the men to take out their wallets and the women to open their purses – and to donate all their money when the offering plates came around. He punctuated his appeal by reiterating, “Listen to the man of God!” (I didn’t see him give anything.)

Thank God I was at home, because if I had been in that auditorium, I might have walked out.
I once ran across the difference between manipulation and motivation. When a leader manipulates people, he tries to get them to do what is in his best interests. When a leader motivates people, he tries to get them to do what is in their best interests.

So if a pastor encourages his congregation to donate money to the ministry to inflate his stats or so he can get a raise, he’s manipulating people. But if he encourages them to give to expand Christ’s kingdom or so they can grow spiritually, he’s motivating them.

Pastors need to monitor their emotions, language, and tone when they speak to make sure they’re engaged in motivation, not manipulation.

Third, control freaks are insensitive. They are so in tune with their own discomfort that they cannot sense when they are making others uncomfortable.
As a pastor, I ministered to various kinds of people. Some could barely walk or hear. Others felt rejected by almost everyone in the culture. Some had no job or money. Others kept doubting their salvation.
I tried to listen to each person who came to me with a struggle. I tried to understand how they were feeling and how I might be able to help them. Every caring shepherd does this.
But control freaks can’t be bothered. They don’t see people as individuals but as part of a congregation they need to whip into shape. Everyone needs to be going in the same direction at the same speed. If you can’t keep up, they’ll leave you behind.

Years ago, I saw the film Lawrence of Arabia starring Peter O’Toole. There’s a scene where Lawrence is riding all night with some warriors to attack the coastal city of Aqaba. When daylight comes, Lawrence notices that one of the horses lacks a rider. When Lawrence inquires about him, he’s told that the man fell off miles back and should be left to die.
But Lawrence can’t do that. He reverses field and rides back for hours until he finds the man immobilized on the hot ground. Lawrence places the man on his horse and rides back toward Aqaba. When he arrives with the man near dusk, Lawrence becomes the undisputed leader of the invading party.
He cared about every single person.

Control freaks don’t mind losing people along the way. In fact, they expect it. “If you can’t get with my program,” they reason, “then I don’t want you around here anyway.” They only care about those who can help them reach their goals. Everyone else is dispensible – especially those who require too much attention.
http://blog.restoringkingdombuilders...ontrol-freaks/
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:


  1. There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
  2. The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
  3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  5. That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
  6. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 11-17-2013, 04:08 PM
LOVE JESUS LOVE JESUS is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 256
Re: What kind of pastor is this?

A Pastor is to LEAD the congregation not try to make them do what he wants. It is his job to tell them (according to the WORD) what to do but if they don't, it is not his responsibility to make them. I would not sit under a control Pastor. He is supposed to love them and lead them and let God do the rest. I could not imagine being under a Pastor as this one is. That sounds like a Jim Jones leader.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 11-17-2013, 05:20 PM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: What kind of pastor is this?

I appreciate everyone's thoughts and input. This man is definitely a control freak, and using the "name of the Lord" to validate everything he does, and wants. This family member is not my daughter, as RW asked. It is a close family member though.

He is certainly not a typical pastor, but one who has way overstepped his bounds, not just this time, but routinely as a way to control his congregation. The sad thing is that this has gone on for close to 50 years.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 11-17-2013, 05:25 PM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: What kind of pastor is this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas View Post
See? That is my point. I believe pastoral relationships like that are not only unbiblical but unhealthy.

I know people and a church that is like that. It took YEARS for some of his members to finally wake up and leave but others chose to just not go to church anymore at all rather than go to another church for fear of going to hell..ironic eh?

Seriously I have friends that are former members. He has told some before that they were better off backsliding than going to the Apostolic church just in the other city and that they might as well pitch their tents in Sodom.

Too this day former members are STILL affected by this strict control and manipulation. It's a long long process of healing to get over that.
Prax, you hit the nail on the head here. Thank you for understanding.

Unless you know someone personally who has been in this type of abusive mentality, it is hard to believe it exists, but sadly, it is alive and well.

I was the first to leave out of the entire church group under this pastor's control. Several members of my family have followed. Several are still there.

I praise the Lord for the healing of my mind that took place many years ago, when I was able to forgive the things that took place. I believe it is the only way to leading a normal life.

However, when situations like this arise, I have to plead the blood to try to get my boiling blood to calm back down!
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 11-17-2013, 05:27 PM
RandyWayne RandyWayne is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: AZ
Posts: 16,746
Re: What kind of pastor is this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord View Post
I appreciate everyone's thoughts and input. This man is definitely a control freak, and using the "name of the Lord" to validate everything he does, and wants. This family member is not my daughter, as RW asked. It is a close family member though.

He is certainly not a typical pastor, but one who has way overstepped his bounds, not just this time, but routinely as a way to control his congregation. The sad thing is that this has gone on for close to 50 years.
Is there anyway to get a hint at who this pastor is so as to 'punk' them? (One can only imagine the stuff that I can come up with!) LOL
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 11-17-2013, 05:28 PM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: What kind of pastor is this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by LOVE JESUS View Post
A Pastor is to LEAD the congregation not try to make them do what he wants. It is his job to tell them (according to the WORD) what to do but if they don't, it is not his responsibility to make them. I would not sit under a control Pastor. He is supposed to love them and lead them and let God do the rest. I could not imagine being under a Pastor as this one is. That sounds like a Jim Jones leader.
This pastor is definitely a man of the caliber of Jim Jones, as he has persuaded an entire group of people to do something he wanted them to do. Pray for him, and for the souls of those in his congregation. I know that only the Lord can intervene and change the heart of this man, before it is eternally too late.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 11-17-2013, 05:38 PM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: What kind of pastor is this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyWayne View Post
Is there anyway to get a hint at who this pastor is so as to 'punk' them? (One can only imagine the stuff that I can come up with!) LOL
Oh yes, I can only imagine how your mind works, lol... yet.... I will not expose sensitive details on a public forum...
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 11-17-2013, 05:44 PM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: What kind of pastor is this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by hometown guy View Post
Sounds like your family has some issue of their own to be following a man for 40 years that has this pattern....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truthseeker View Post
Hard to break free especially if a person had been programmed it's rebellion and bad things will happen if you leave.
Truthseeker - you have spoken truth. Thanks.

Hometown Guy - easy to judge the situation based on the few details I have provided. Be thankful you don't have family members in this kind of a situation, pray for these people, if you would. Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 11-17-2013, 05:48 PM
Originalist Originalist is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,076
Re: What kind of pastor is this?

Abiding Now, you have nothing to say?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What kind of beans? The Mrs Prepper's Patch 50 10-09-2013 04:15 AM
What Kind Of Doctrine Is This ? Scott Hutchinson Fellowship Hall 30 07-11-2013 08:54 PM
What kind of phone do you have? clgustaveson Fellowship Hall 44 11-19-2008 11:32 AM
Hello Everyone! I am Back kind of! clgustaveson The Welcome Mat 10 05-07-2008 12:58 PM
Now This Is MY Kind of Camping!!!! rgcraig Fellowship Hall 38 07-23-2007 05:12 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Salome
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.