The Bible says what do do when someone is sick, and it is very specific and clear. It says what will happen if you follow those instructions. It says you can do anything with faith. It says God will do anything you ask.
Is the Bible wrong?!?!
More to the point, would Bro. Epley say that these things in the Bible are wrong? Or more likely, would he perhaps say things that are different from what the Bible says, while maintaining that those things are true?
He's done it before, on a different topic. I'll dig it up, if you like.
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The Bible says what do do when someone is sick, and it is very specific and clear. It says what will happen if you follow those instructions. It says you can do anything with faith. It says God will do anything you ask.
Is the Bible wrong?!?!
No, the bible isn't necessarily wrong. Call for prayer, but there are factors in healing other than prayer. Prayer worked for me a few months ago, prayer hasn't workedat ot her times.
I don't always like the system but it is what it is.
No, the bible isn't necessarily wrong. Call for prayer, but there are factors in healing other than prayer. Prayer worked for me a few months ago, prayer hasn't workedat ot her times.
I don't always like the system but it is what it is.
"Necessarily"?
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Steve, I only recently popped back in to post an article and probably will not stick around myself only due to time constraints. God bless, friend. Were you called back to the Vatican?
Steve, I only recently popped back in to post an article and probably will not stick around myself only due to time constraints. God bless, friend. Were you called back to the Vatican?
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Right, faith is a factor. God's purpose and plan are others.
Fair enough, But my point was that the Bible can easily cause someone to think exactly what has been discussed here. Namely, than one should depend only on God for healing, and not use doctors. Further, they may believe that if healing doesn't happen, God had some reason for it. (Which is what you are saying, after all.) It doesn't make their doctrine any less Biblical.
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I wasn't clear with my statement. I should have said that within oneness pentecostalism, the behavior usually occurs in those who call themselves 'apostolic'. Within oneness pentecostalism, the more conservative they are, the more cult-like they become and the more likely the practice of allowing children to suffer, and sometimes die, will occur. Within oneness pentecostalism, those people will almost always self-label themselves as 'apostolic' and and be subject to a domineering pastorate who must be followed, even to the point of the abuse of children. This isn't painting all oneness pentecostals as such for most aren't, but it is recognizing the fact that the more 'apostolic' a group is, the more conservative they are in their dress and beliefs and behavior. In other words, the more cult-like they become.
I know people who call themselves Apostolic and are very conservative who would not practice this themselves or teach others
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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I wasn't clear with my statement. I should have said that within oneness pentecostalism, the behavior usually occurs in those who call themselves 'apostolic'. Within oneness pentecostalism, the more conservative they are, the more cult-like they become and the more likely the practice of allowing children to suffer, and sometimes die, will occur. Within oneness pentecostalism, those people will almost always self-label themselves as 'apostolic' and and be subject to a domineering pastorate who must be followed, even to the point of the abuse of children. This isn't painting all oneness pentecostals as such for most aren't, but it is recognizing the fact that the more 'apostolic' a group is, the more conservative they are in their dress and beliefs and behavior. In other words, the more cult-like they become.
It's your one note. and it is a sour note.
and you are lying. FLAT OUT LYING.
There are far more idiots out there that are not Oneness that have the crazy no dr thing than there are OPs. The VAST majority of OPs who are very conservative go to the dr.
this is a lie, you are lying.
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I wasn't clear with my statement. I should have said that within oneness pentecostalism, the behavior usually occurs in those who call themselves 'apostolic'. Within oneness pentecostalism, the more conservative they are, the more cult-like they become and the more likely the practice of allowing children to suffer, and sometimes die, will occur. Within oneness pentecostalism, those people will almost always self-label themselves as 'apostolic' and and be subject to a domineering pastorate who must be followed, even to the point of the abuse of children. This isn't painting all oneness pentecostals as such for most aren't, but it is recognizing the fact that the more 'apostolic' a group is, the more conservative they are in their dress and beliefs and behavior. In other words, the more cult-like they become.
(with regard to the bold) HOGWASH! You my friend have a real problem! Just because you are bitter against all things "apostolic" I would appreciate it greatly if you would quit the spewing of venom you are doing. I have been around some of the most conservative men on the planet and your depiction of them is way off. Are there some......of course....the extreme minority? Absolutely. Thousands of believers are VERY conservative in dress and beliefs and behavior and would NEVER espouse to these doctrines to the abuse/harm of children. Apparently because you have encountered a few in your small world of experience you think all ultra-con apostolics are the same. THEY'RE NOT. I guess you believe the earth is flat too.....lol
I do not mean to be harsh, however your relentless attempt to paint those who hold standards as a personal commitment as being cultish and in heresy gets old.
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