Messages in tongues down among Pentecostals

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by renee819

LORD, Have mercy on us, and forgive us of our PRIDE and WORLDLINESS. I'M NOT ASKING THAT YOU SAVE US, IN OUR PRIDE AND WORLDLINESS, but that you open our eyes, and show us our sins. And put a hunger in the hearts of the Ministers, as well as the back sliding Christians, that will supersede anything that the world has to offer. AMEN



Then I suppose, if you have a little money, you don't need “ a direct line to God?” Do they think their money will save them?

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Do you remember the OT story?
God told the Israelites to keep Judges for their leaders. They looked around and said, “all the other nations have Kings. We want a King. God tried to tell them what would happen if they had a King. They would not listen, they said, “Give us a King so that we can be like other nations,”

That is the way that Pentecost is going. We, (larger churches) want to be accepted by the world, at least by other Denominations, so they have decided and will quit talking in tongues.

If they don't know the difference, in Other Tongues and Unknown Tongues, to refuse Other Tongues, destroys all hope of being born again. They are destroying the foundation of their salvation. And YES, they will become like other Denominations, dead, dried and plucked up by the roots. (Some Pentecostals are already like that) placing programs in the place of the Spirit, the music is a disaster. (Christian Rock, or Modern Music accepted, to be more like the world) In many Pentecostal churches, using music to rev up the emotions.
Amos 8:3 And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence.

Originally Posted by renee819

GOD, instituted the speaking in Other Tongues as the evidence of the Holy Ghost. If you are ashamed of Tongues, then you are ashamed of God.

And IN THAT DAY---He will be ashamed of you. Whoever you are that is ashamed of tongues.

Preach Sistah Preach!

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by renee819

GOD, instituted the speaking in Other Tongues as the evidence of the Holy Ghost. If you are ashamed of Tongues, then you are ashamed of God.

And IN THAT DAY---He will be ashamed of you. Whoever you are that is ashamed of tongues.

Originally Posted by houston

I am sorry to ask if you are drunk. My blood sugar was low. Your statement is... I, I don't know how you extrapolated that. Ok, well, I do know.

In your mind you equate a gift of the Spirit as the Spirit, as.... Okay, this is harder to explain than I thought. See below.

glossolalia--> holy ghost= Jesus

I think that is what you think.

Jesus said "If you deny ME before men..." That is probably what prompted your post. Am I right?

I'll be honest, I was laughing so hard when I read the emboldened...

[houston]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I'll be honest, I was laughing so hard when I read the emboldened...

As was I.

[shazeep]

i would actually agree with Renee, for the period that the passage was written; although i do not believe that it holds true now. this comes from the widely held perception that we have the same Church now that we did when the Apostles walked the earth, which is demonstrably false.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by renee819

Originally Posted by renee819
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No Jason, if a person believes in Jesus, they are a believer. Still not born again.
Like our example in Acts 19. They were believers, but Paul didn't leave them, until they were baptized right--in Jesus name, and received the Holy Ghost.

The Samaritans were believers, until Peter and John prayed for them, and then they received the Holy Ghost. If the Bible is not our example, then what are we to believe??? MAN??? That wants an easy way? Man? That tries to find another way to climb up???

It would be the same as an Israelite saying, “God said that one of the signs of an Israelite is to be circumcised, but I'm not going to circumcise my sons, I don't see how that is important.”

God says to cast that person out from among them. God is exact.

First, it's a matter of obedience.
Next, a person is not 'born again' until they receive the Holy Ghost. And we have several examples of people being born again, receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in Other Tongues.

With two or three witness's let every word be established.

Do you find ANYWHERE, where people are receiving the Holy Ghost, and it says, they didn't speak in tongues? Or that it was not important to speak in tongues?

It's not worth the risk of trying to climb up some other way. And to teach that it's not important, may be causing some one else to be lost.

Amen.

[Abiding Now]

Well obviously they don't attend the same Pentecostal churches that I attend.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by renee819

It's not worth the risk of trying to climb up some other way. And to teach that it's not important, may be causing some one else to be lost.

Wait. Seriously? You are interpreting Jesus' statement on salvation exclusively through Him to the initial evidence doctrine? I'm pretty sure the meaning of the text is to show that all those who refuse to believe in JESUS CHRIST can not be saved. NOT that whoever denies the initial evidence doctrine can't be saved. Wow. That is quite a leap.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Wait. Seriously? You are interpreting Jesus' statement on salvation exclusively through Him to the initial evidence doctrine? I'm pretty sure the meaning of the text is to show that all those who refuse to believe in JESUS CHRIST can not be saved. NOT that whoever denies the initial evidence doctrine can't be saved. Wow. That is quite a leap.

Yep

[Norman]

Real "speaking in other tongues" is not glossolalia - it is xenoglossia.
I am concerned about fake speaking in tongues, and also that many people might not actually realize that what they are doing is not speaking in tongues. Not to be mocking anybody, but as an example, la la la la la la la is not speaking in tongues.

[shazeep]

yes, i am convinced that both occur now, and even entertain that genuine tongues may be needed for a filling of the Holy Spirit, as a gift, that many may not experience; but i don't believe that excludes one being indwelt by the Holy Spirit as long as 1John1:9 is practiced. it also appears that there will be a resurgence of genuine tongues 'in that day,' and also counterfeits for that, after an initial genuine example that is impactful, hard to dismiss, but then the counterfeits flood while the people are still deciding--which does not preclude more genuine experiences, but they will exist side by side with the counterfeits. Um, you define 'in that day.'