End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Dordrecht]

You are wasting your time on this guy, Sister.
He goes from one to another forum and copy and paste.
There are fellows doing the same thing about tithes and offerings.
It's their favourite subject.
Don't worry about him, he made up his mind and is wasting your time.

[Sister Alvear]

I do not appreciate rdp speaking about Bro, Scheels even though I do not have it with me. He defended Women in ministry to get his Qxford degree...Neither his wife or daughters are preachers so he has no familiy ties to defend women preachers. Actually he grew up in a church that does not believe in women preachers. I have known Brother Scheels all my life and I can say he is a real christian. So let's not knock people.

[Sister Alvear]

you are right...it is a wast of time...just trying to help those who are really interented...I teach on Monday nights at Bible school and have to get my lesson ready...Off the subject but would like to ask for prayer. I am not well in body...may God bless all...
Anyone desiring to learn you can contact me at janalvear@aol.com
I will post for those that care to learn as I have the time...

[Dordrecht]

We are praying for you, Sister!

[kclee4jc]

First off I don't particularly like this forum and don't post here often anymore. I have a feeling that many eyes will be viewing this thread and I have no desire to be identified with AFF.

However, I have a question for both sides, specifically Sis. Alvear and Bro RDP.

I understand Paul's exhortation that women not usurp authority over men, and I embrace his statement as biblical truth. In my mind this does not completely nullify a woman's calling or ministry, but limits it. I also understand that there have been many women of God such as Sister Alvear, Sister Freeman, and Sister Holmes who have been mightily used by God to reach the lost yet to my knowledge "have not usurped authority over a man" by pastoring. When I look at the 5-fold ministry I see two offices that are authoritative in nature. That being the office of an Apostle and the office of the local Pastor.

So here is my question...
1. Is not a woman pastoring (especially pastoring a congregation with men in it) a direct violation to Paul's admonition?

2. Does not a woman preaching the Gospel in the role of a missionary, evangelist, ladies' conference speaker, etc. not simply bear witness with the Great Commission and the many examples of women in the scripture who spoke for God.

I don't have the answers and I have not invested the time and study into this subject that Bro. RDP and Sis Alvear have. I have not formed an absolute opinion but it certainly does seem clear to me, and in harmony with divine order that the role of the Pastor should be limited to a man, while liberty should be given to consecrated ladies to reach for the lost and work in the harvest.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

First off I don't particularly like this forum and don't post here often anymore. I have a feeling that many eyes will be viewing this thread and I have no desire to be identified with AFF.

However, I have a question for both sides, specifically Sis. Alvear and Bro RDP.

I understand Paul's exhortation that women not usurp authority over men, and I embrace his statement as biblical truth. In my mind this does not completely nullify a woman's calling or ministry, but limits it. I also understand that there have been many women of God such as Sister Alvear, Sister Freeman, and Sister Holmes who have been mightily used by God to reach the lost yet to my knowledge "have not usurped authority over a man" by pastoring. When I look at the 5-fold ministry I see two offices that are authoritative in nature. That being the office of an Apostle and the office of the local Pastor.

So here is my question...
1. Is not a woman pastoring (especially pastoring a congregation with men in it) a direct violation to Paul's admonition?

2. Does not a woman preaching the Gospel in the role of a missionary, evangelist, ladies' conference speaker, etc. not simply bear witness with the Great Commission and the many examples of women in the scripture who spoke for God.

I don't have the answers and I have not invested the time and study into this subject that Bro. RDP and Sis Alvear have. I have not formed an absolute opinion but it certainly does seem clear to me, and in harmony with divine order that the role of the Pastor should be limited to a man, while liberty should be given to consecrated ladies to reach for the lost and work in the harvest.

I have studied the history of the Assemblies of God and I can tell you that the Pentecost as we know it was built on the back women and not just men. These are the heroes of the faith. They truly cared more about the great commission and souls than their own safety.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

As can be expected from RDP, no specific answer, just lots more "smoke in mirrors" to quote him.

If a prophesy is given in church by a woman, how can she also be silent? That is an oxymoron, and yet, we see Paul teaching about women prophesying, and women to be in silence. How can this be? If a woman is prophesying, she is speaking, and is not being silent.

You didn't answer, RDP. .... too busy flashing your smoke and mirror trick to directly answer this question?

It just needed a simple answer, RDP, not pages and pages of highlighted words, and references to lexicons, and bible translations along with dancing emoticons.

You didn't answer the question, because you don't have the answer. NO one, not even a woman, can prophesy without speaking out loud, which therefore contradicts "keep silent in the church." You address other things, but not this.

Further, I have never ridiculed you, called you by any other name other than your screen name, and have given you respect, but, you have not done the same when discussing any issue on this forum. The very nature of the words and emoticons you use tell the condition of your heart, as you seek to ridicule, tear down, and mock anyone who tries to interact with you, which makes debate very difficult with you. You think you have won debates because people tire of interacting with you, not that they are tired of discussing an issue.

You might want to check out the AFF 10 commandments, and familiarize yourself with them. #3 and 10 are particularly ones you might need to reference.

3. Treat others with respect. This means no hatefulness, namecalling or verbal attacks.

10. Above all, strive to post material that will be uplifting, positive and thought-provoking. Seek to exhort rather than tear down your fellow posters.

Originally Posted by rdp

- Hmmm, let's see, what was that passage that has never (nor ever will) be adequately explained by a "woman-preacher" (talk about an "oxymoron" phrase ):

Pages and pages and pages of various versions of the Bible that you approve of when a simple answer would suffice.

Originally Posted by rdp

Put your erasers down - it'll still be there when you're finished tampering with it ("making the Word of God of no effect through your tradition"). Oh wait - what was that other passage that "clearly shows" that God supposedly "ordains" women into the NT 5-fold ministry? Hmm, where was that - Oh, wait, I found it:

I did not ask the question about women being ordained in the ministry. You immediately skipped to that, because it must be your candy stick.

I have already stated that I do not believe women should be ordained into leadership ministry positions. However, the Bible is very clear that women can be helpers, team mates, and workers, and preachers in the kingdom. I do not think women belong in leadership, but they are certainly most capable of assisting in the kingdom, and preaching the gospel of Jesus.

Originally Posted by rdp

Below is the exhaustive list of women who "preached" in the Bible (either OT or NT) to any congregation from the Scriptures:
Who could ever forget ol' Sister:____________?
Then there was "Prophetess":________________?
Or, how about ol' powerful "preacher-Sister":_____________?

Sis. Alvear has already provided an extensive list of those, of which you have chosen to ignore. So, I'll paste them here for you.

Post # 146: In the Old Testament, women participated in the study and teaching of the law (Nehemiah 8:2; Proverbs 1:8; Deuteronomy 13:6-11), in offering prayers and vows to God (1 Samuel 1:10; Numbers 30:9; Genesis 25:22; 30:6, 22; 2 Kings 4:9, 10, 20-37), in ministering "at the entrance to the tent of meeting" (1 Samuel 2:22), in singing at the worship of the Temple service (Ezra 2:65), and in engaging in the prophetic ministry of exhortation and guidance (Exodus 15:20; 2 Kings 22:14-20; 2 Chronicles 34:22-28; Judges 4:4-14). Of this latter group, especially prominent are Deborah, "a prophetess . . . [who] was judging [NIV, "leading"] Israel at that time" (Judges 4:4), and Huldah, the prophetess to whom Josiah the king and Hilkiah the high priest looked for spiritual guidance (2 Kings 22).

Post # 147: For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee the house of bondage, and I sent before you Moses, Aaron and Miriam. Micah 6:4

Post # 148: Miriam is the 1st woman in scripture given the title of prophetess. She is alongside her 2 brothers in ministry and has a God ordained position of great authority.

Post # 149 Miriam was a prophet. The Hebrew word used here for “prophetess” is ‘nebiah.’ Nebiah is the feminine of ‘nabi’ which means: “a spokesman, speaker, prophet. Nebiah is used six (6) times in the Old Testament as prophetess.

RDP, with just a simple answer, without the use of lexicons, and translations, and emotions, please answer me this.

Can a woman prophesy in your church? If she does prophesy, then she has not remained silent. She has opened her mouth to speak. How then, can she prophesy, and remain silent?

[Sister Alvear]

I will answer but don't have time at the moment...

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by rdp

[COLOR="Blue"]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

"Women-preachers" are simply doing what they want to do despite what the Bible plainly-expressly forbids - which is humanism. Better to obey than.....May God have mercy on them in eternity - sincerely.

You have just pulled a scripture out of context here, RDP. Don't suppose you've read the entire passage?

II Thessalonians 3:6-15
6Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:

9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.

10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

13 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Paul was talking about withdrawing from those who walk disorderly, *WORKING NOT AT ALL, BUT ARE BUSYBODIES*.

Talking about changing scripture to make it mean something else! Using this verse to bash people over the head because they don't believe every doctrine you believe, when Paul in actuality was talking here about those who wouldn't work, and that if they don't work, they shouldn't eat.

If you can't understand and teach this scripture properly, spoken very plainly, and clearly, without the need of lexicons, or other translations, then this whole debate is a waste of time, because it is obvious you pick and choose scriptures and pull them out of context to support your position.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I will answer but don't have time at the moment...

God Bless you sister! Will pray especially for you today, that the Lord will give you the strength to do all you have to do for Him!